Protyre Motorsport BARC F Renault 2012

[FFfan]

Originally Posted by Peter Cammish

The current generation FR is a pretty fast car, about 4 seconds off a class B F3 around the new silverstone GP circuit when a FF is around 14 seconds off so there is a big difference in grip as FF is faster than FR on the straight also the FR brakes are better and the tyres yeild a lot more grip,. With regard to the slicks/wings debate its a question of finance if you have a very large budget maybe 2 years in FR is the way if you only have a budget for 1 year in FR dont bother and try to do 2 -3 in FF as chances are you will be retired after Year 1 in FR so I dont think the debate is about Wings its about giving drivers who dont have accident of birth the opportunity to race in a very good championship for sensible money and FF gives that and I for one hope it continues and I think it will, its demise have been predicted for around 20 years!! the only thing for me that is wrong is the tyre it is too durable and the formula was better on the AVON as the "two lap" window is the norm in the higher formula so in that respect I think the series went the wrong way and I dont think it helped costs , it certainly didn help me so I probably would say that... I personally think a FF 2000 championship in Britian would take off and I would like to see it.

Yep; agree with most of what you have said Peter. I firmly believe that ECOboost should have been pitched at what was the old FF2000 market where it would have been very competitive cost wise and Duratec should have been left alone for now as it was doing ok.

I have already commented quite extensivily on this on another website so I don't intend to repeat it all again here but anyone that is interested can read the piece & my comments here http://www.motorsportmusings.co.uk/2...main-wingless/

I've always been a massive fan of FF. My username kind of gives it away so I sincerely hope that Ford see the light and do what is necassary to see the category thrive again.

Dominic Malvern

[EastonNeston]

Very interesting to see in the BARC Renault preview release for this weekends race, that James Theodore has joined CDR in place of Trent Hindeman, and Scott Malvern has left CDR.

I'm sure there's a story to be told, from both sides there?

[Flavio Galtieri]

Originally Posted by EastonNeston

I'm sure there's a story to be told, from both sides there?

I don't know about both sides but I would have thought the big story is Malvern's leading the championship by 21 points against all the odds, so Croft should be very interesting!

[EastonNeston]

Two very impressive wins today for MGR's Josh Webster, James Fletcher and David Wagner also had podium finishes driving from MGR.
Kieran Vernon finished second in race one and had a strong drive in race two and James Theodore had two strong finishes on his return to the series with CDR.

Webster is now leading the championship with just the Donington & Silverstone weekends remaining

[EastonNeston]

Latest points, after croft, shows Josh Webster is just 7 points behind Malvern, but when the two dropped scores are applied, -11 for Josh &-33 for Malvern, Josh has the net championship lead.

With two meetings & just 4 races left this could go to the last lap! It looks unlikely Seb Morris will challenge for the title after another error prone weekend, and some very dubious overtaking efforts, including taking James Fletcher off at the hairpin on the last lap of race two.

[Flavio Galtieri]

Five more races, three at Donington so it should go down to the wire!

[EastonNeston]

Donington is going to be a tough weekend for drivers, teams and supporters.

[Deemun]

Originally Posted by EastonNeston

Donington is going to be a tough weekend for drivers, teams and supporters.

Actually Easton there is only one dropped score not two. Webster wouldn't be anywhere near as close had he not run into the back of Malvern in race two at Thruxton and pushed him off! He was lucky to get away with that. He was also lucky to get the safety car at Croft yesterday when he did as Malvern was on him.....oh & lets see Websters first win at Snetteron came about because leader Malvern who was way out in front had a mechanical problem in a car he hadn't even clapped eyes on before the race weekend.

Webster is in his third year in this championship and is running with a professional team. Scott practically ran his own car this weekend and prior to that was with a team brand new to the championship. Scott only received the car back last Tuesday from his former team and spent every evening after that after coming home from his full time day job putting things right and preparing it. On top of that Malvern had never been to either Thruxton or Croft prior to his race weekeends. We all know how much you love Josh (who is a good driver) Easton but get a sense of perspective and start seeing the wood through the trees!!

[EastonNeston]

There is no need to descend into personal insults.

One question, why leave a well respected, and very experienced, professional team, especially when the driver concerned had a significant championship lead?

It doesn't seem a logical move.

[Deemun]

Originally Posted by EastonNeston

There is no need to descend into personal insults.

One question, why leave a well respected, and very experienced, professional team, especially when the driver concerned had a significant championship lead?

It doesn't seem a logical move.

Not quite sure where my remarks are insulting towards you Easton? They are not intended to be! But quite clearly from your history on here you are a fan of Josh Webster (nothing wrong with that) as I am unashamedly of Scott Malvern simply because I am well aware of his personal circumstances and the amount of effort and hard work he has had to put in to keep his race career alive. Sadly as I've said before Scott isn't the only driver or rider in this position and I hate seeing good talent struggle.

As for your question about Scott's change of team you would have to ask him (you were at Croft so had your chance) or someone directly connected with him about that but I think it's most likely a case of " he who pays the piper calls the tune"

[EastonNeston]

Points after Croft
Gross score = all points scored Net Score is points with lowest score dropped.

Position Name Gross Net
1 Josh Webster 227 225

2 Malvern 234 223

3 Seb Morris 161 161

4 David Wagner 147 147

5 Macaulay Walsh 144 144

6 James Fletcher 143 143

7 Kieran Vernon 143 143

8 Jake Dalton 125 125

etc

Data taken from official championship points table.

(Provided for information with no comments)

[FFfan]

Good write up on the championship in the latest Autosport, by Ben Anderson, explaining why it is so popular at the moment!

[Deemun]

Great weekend of racing at Donington. Three races, three different winners! Congratulations to David Wagner for breaking his duck!

Excellent attendance boosted by the fact that it was also the Truck Grand Prix. Are they mad or what? Certainly enetertaining though!

Only two drivers can win the championship now, Scott Malvern & Josh Webster but third place is very much still up for grabs for the next three or four drivers; Wagner, Morris, Walsh & Vernon.

Final two rounds will be at Silverstone at the beginning of October supporting British Touring Cars. See also:

http://www.renaultsport.co.uk/champi...9/Default.aspx

http://www.thecheckeredflag.co.uk/category/open-wheel/

[EastonNeston]

For anyone involved in the championship, it's fair to say that the the BTCC is Supporting BARC F Renault :-)

[Flavio Galtieri]

What a superb championship this has been this year! The leading UK single seater category by miles and now going down to the wire at the final round on live TV!

I hope Gerhard Berger is watching because I believe it proves definitively that you can run a feeder series that isn't completely filled with the sons and daughters of millionnaires without compromising on professionalism.

I heard or read somewhere a rumour that the BARC were considering changing the Formula for next year? Please tell me that's untrue........