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At the end of 2009 SEAT & LADA pulled out and BMW downsized their entry to 2 cars.
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I like this idea known as the TCR World Tour. 9 events that will race in new locations as well as across Europe.
It offers a chance for existing and new teams to take part, with a Final set across 4 days & 60 drivers |
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I think, these "crisis" is always evident, as manufacturers always try to get their advantages over the competition...
See Ford with turbocharged Sierras, see Audi with all-wheel-drive, see Seat with TDI etc. Of course, technology is changing and a manufacturer tries to show his engineering or his wealth. I don't know, how much Lynk&Co. has spent for WTCR with all these high-profile-drivers and maybe most advanced technology? That was not cheap, and understandable, that they don't want to loose because of tyres they can't use fully. Or other things, they make them slower. |
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[QUOTE=GusGasfuss;4131263]I think, these "crisis" is always evident, as manufacturers always try to get their advantages over the competition...
See Ford with turbocharged Sierras, see Audi with all-wheel-drive, see Seat with TDI etc. Of course, technology is changing and a manufacturer tries to show his engineering or his wealth. i don't agree with you. In years 90 during golden era of supertouring also Nissan and Ford tried to develop in germany a 4WD same as Audi but with poor results. in 96 when audi dominated in 7 different championship the main quality was the reliability that other manufacture hadn't. in wtcc made available the possibility to use a TDI engin rather than an aspirate gasoline. If SEAT chose this way it's not their fault and btw also other manufactures could use it as well if with SEAT was working good. In general i think that in WTCC it's normal that manufacture wanna partecipate. What the organisation shuold make are CLEAR RULES, SAME CONDITIONS TO DEVELOPS THE CAR (same days of test before or during the year). |
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Of course everybody could develop whatever the rules accept. But if it doesn't fit to your model range, or what you want to advertise, it is uselesss. When Ford had Sierra Turbos, BMW didn't even use a turbocharger in current model range for street use. Nissan and Ford don't had the experience with 4WD like Audi, and in case of Ford, the car was generally not really competitive. In 90s DTM we had 2.5l NAs against 2.0l Turbos, 3.6l NA V8s. Not easy to equal them. And for the TDI: of course Seat was not that competitive with their gasoline engine, but had good experience with diesel engines. Not sure, if BMW would like to advertise Diesel engines, they already won 24h Nurburgring race with a Diesel in 1998 (and in my opinion had the best technology for Diesel already in the market (selling successful). Not sure, if it would be a good idea to leave customer teams (and BMW sold a lot of WTCC kits to customers) with the needs of a diesel technology on a race car. In general i am fine with all regulations (Gr.A. DTM90, STW/STC, WTCC, TCR) but they all are in need of BOP if someone uses a different approach to building a car to the regulations. |
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you're mistaken
DTM banned Turbos follwing the 1989 season so no turbo's after that there were 2.0 L cars on the DTM 1990 grid , those were the old Opel Kadett of Team Schübel but no turbos and they didn't even finish the season Last edited by porsche962fan; 31 Oct 2022 at 15:41. |
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My understanding of the world tour is that the entrants will join the grid of the regional and national TCR series.
So for example R1 - TCR Germany - Hockenheim R2 - TCR Europe - SPA R3 - TCR UK - Donington Park R4 - TCR Eastern Europe - Hungoring R5 - TCR Italy - Monza R6 - TCR South America - Interlagos R7 - TCR Austrlia - Bathurst R8 - TCR Japan - Suzuka R9 - TCR Asia - Macau Drivers who enter those rounds score world tour points so you would have some of the top TCR drivers dropping in and out of the National TCR series So one weekend you would have Tom Coronel, Yvan Muller, Tiago Montiero, Norbert Michelisz racing in TCR Denmark one week and the week after at Croft for TCR UK The idea sound great on paper. and that would be a good concept But why do i get the impression that the 1st 6 events will just be held alongside TCR Europe, 1 at Bathurst alongside TCR Australia and then they join TCR Asia at Shanghai and Macau for the final 2 races |
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El Pinar is planned to be revamped for next year.
If the project is done on time, the TCR Tour and Stock Car Brasil are set to visit us on August 13. https://motoresenpunta.com/una-fecha-13-de-agosto/ |
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Bathurst to host a TCR World Tour race next year:
https://www.tcr-series.com/news/item...-event-in-2023 |
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Can't think of many more appropriate places to host a round at.
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In a TCR Australia piece, they confirmed the following after speaking with Lotti at the Bathurst International:
"The TCR World Tour will debut in 2023, taking in nine rounds at some of the world’s most iconic touring car venues. The TCR World Tour will visit four continents in 2023, with four rounds in Europe, two in America, one in Asia and two in Australia." Link: https://tcraustralia.com/2022/11/12/...international/ However, on the TCR site, they stated a second Australian event was being negotiated. Hopefully we'll hear more after the WTCR finale this weekend. |
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After speaking to Lotti during this years Bathurst International, TCR Australia put the following out:
The worldwide boss of the popular turbocharged category also confirmed that WSC and ARG will host a second round in Australia, with parties in discussions with numerous other circuits about the opportunity to host the second TCR World Tour race in Australia later next year. The TCR World Tour will debut in 2023, taking in nine rounds at some of the world’s most iconic touring car venues. The TCR World Tour will visit four continents in 2023, with four rounds in Europe, two in America, one in Asia and two in Australia. The International TCR drivers and teams will compete alongside national and domestic TCR series, including Australia, pitching the world’s best against the local entrants. Link for the full article: https://tcraustralia.com/2022/11/12/...international/ |
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After speaking to Lotti during this years Bathurst International, TCR Australia put the following out:
The worldwide boss of the popular turbocharged category also confirmed that WSC and ARG will host a second round in Australia, with parties in discussions with numerous other circuits about the opportunity to host the second TCR World Tour race in Australia later next year. The TCR World Tour will debut in 2023, taking in nine rounds at some of the world’s most iconic touring car venues. The TCR World Tour will visit four continents in 2023, with four rounds in Europe, two in America, one in Asia and two in Australia. The International TCR drivers and teams will compete alongside national and domestic TCR series, including Australia, pitching the world’s best against the local entrants. Link for the full article: https://tcraustralia.com/2022/11/12/tcr-world-tour-confirms-round-at-the-2023-supercheap-auto-bathurst-international/ |
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People may struggle to take the rankings seriously after the latest update...
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Algarve is two weeks before the WEC race.
Spa-Francorchamps is one week after the 24h Nürburgring. Hungaroring is two weeks before the F1 Austrian GP. The TCR is working hard not to get noticed. |
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Macau is a massive event, of course it's a good idea to be there (other than the authoritarian government).
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