Acura/HPD's future plans

[Christian Mogami]

Originally Posted by Pandamasque

IS Acura brand officially represented anywhere outside NA? Where?
NSX is Honda in SGT why wouldn't it be worldwide?

China

The biggest market for exotic cars!

And Honda has been trying to expand the brand for a while,Russia and Middle East(Gulf States) is next for Acura.

[JoestForEver]

Hummmm, in fact Acura is pretty close to dead in China with its pricing way above Lexus, Infiniti and even Audi, BMW and Benz, which is ridiculous.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by JoestForEver

Hummmm, in fact Acura is pretty close to dead in China with its pricing way above Lexus, Infiniti and even Audi, BMW and Benz, which is ridiculous.

China does no favors for their close neighbors in Japan. Lots of import taxes if I recall.

[deggis]

Originally Posted by gustavobamba

Yes exactly, but i would like the engine to be the new 1.6 V6 turbo from HONDA RACING

Completely ignoring the questionable usefulness of this testbedding, these are not really even the same organizations/departments. HPD is a subsidiary of American Honda Motor Company and it is in California but the F1 engines are going to come from Japan. Also as general automotive/racing tech companies Wirth and McLaren Group could be direct competitors. This daydream has a bit too much wishful thinking

[Christian Mogami]

There was a rumor that Honda has hired Brawn(who told the press he was taking a year vacation from F1) to run the test program of the 2015 Honda F1 engine and then run Mclaren in 2015.The hardest part of the new F1 power-unit isn't the engine(that is the easy part) but everything else(ECU,DI,TURBO,MGU-H,MGU-K,FUEL MILEAGE,WEIGHT AND BALANCE,HEAT Management,COOLING,INTERCOOLING,ELECTRIC MOTORS,BATTERIES,ETC and the PACKAGING).

So the HPD P1 2.2 V6T can be the test bed of that technology with-out breaking F1 rules because it is a different engine.If they do it we should see the car(P1 Coupe) around Le Mans 24hr with them testing by Summer and maybe doing some late WEC races(Japan,China,Gulf State races) for in race development(some things never happen/go wrong during testing).

[knighty]

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

So the HPD P1 2.2 V6T can be the test bed of that technology with-out breaking F1 rules because it is a different engine.

sorry but thats complete nonsense..........the two engines could not be more different, there is no commonality whatsoever.

[Christian Mogami]

Originally Posted by knighty

sorry but thats complete nonsense..........the two engines could not be more different, there is no commonality whatsoever.

One was design to burn E85 and the other Petrol.

One is 72 degree V angle and the other is 90 degree V angle.

One was design to rev to 12,000 rpm and the other to 15,000 rpm(fuel meter to about max 12,000 rpm).

But the Indy HR22t will have to be redesigned to race in WEC P1.

The only thing thats not going to change is the block,

EVERYTHING THING ELSE WITH THE ENGINE WILL BE NEW!

It will be closer to its F1 cousin than to the new Indy HR22tt.

[1969MGCGTdriver]

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

One is 72 degree V angle and the other is 90 degree V angle.

The only thing thats not going to change is the block,

OK. So which is it?

[joeb]

Yes the list of differences between the engines seems substantial. Not sure what the argument is for saying they are the same

[HJJ]

Honda in DP?

Months of rumors regarding a new DP powerplant could come to reality for the Rolex 24, but there's no guarantee all of the pieces will be in place before the Jan. 25-26 race. Just as engine builder Steve Dinan has been working on a P2 version of BMW's 4.5-liter P65 M3 DP motor he prepares, it's believed Honda has been working in the opposite direction, and could be preparing its Acura MDX-based 3.5-liter twin-turbo V6 P2 engine for use in a Riley DP. It's said Starworks Motorsport, winners of the 2012 WEC P2 championship in a Honda-powered HPD chassis, would serve as the entrant if and when the project breaks cover.

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http://www.racer.com/imsa-roar-befor...icle/327784/2/

[Christian Mogami]

The customer program that HPD was trying to sell to P1 teams in 2013 was going to use the HR22t engine with ERS.

1)the ERS was delayed because plans changed(from partial to a full system,kinetic and heat recovery,2wd or 4wd)

2)when there was no buyers,HondaF1 was talking about taking over the program...thats all I can say....sorry.

[Mal]

Thanks for the hints you give. It sounds like there may be something pretty exciting in the pipeline '

[gustavobamba]

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

The customer program that HPD was trying to sell to P1 teams in 2013 was going to use the HR22t engine with ERS.

1)the ERS was delayed because plans changed(from partial to a full system,kinetic and heat recovery,2wd or 4wd)

2)when there was no buyers,HondaF1 was talking about taking over the program...thats all I can say....sorry.

Assuming that Honda F1 will take over that program, now make sense why the other F1 manufacturers are not so happy. Honda will be able the test for the F1 program while the others are not allowed.

One thing I know, I don´t care the F1 problems, all i want is Honda in P1. Is because of this indecision that Highcroft is so quiet ??... do you have answer for this question

[Articus]

Honda could potentially be able to test sure if what is being said is true but the other manufacturers are going to be able to actually race their engines. I don't see why they should be so sour. Honda is still at a loss as long as they aren't actually in the sport.

[Pandamasque]

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

So the HPD P1 2.2 V6T can be the test bed of that technology with-out breaking F1 rules because it is a different engine.

Honda can test its F1 engine in a car (even a 2014 F1 car if they happen to have one) 24/7 every day in 2014 as the are as much an F1 entrant as me and you! It's not 2015 yet. So why test with the irrelevant 2.2l Indycar engine?

[Christian Mogami]

Wirth is re-working the 2014 HPD P1 Coupe to P2 specs.

HPD is also working on an all new P2 Engine.

Look for a announcement this Spring(around 24hrs of Le Mans).


The HPD P1 Coupe and Power-Unit is way too expensive for a privateer team
to run(if they run it in 2015,it will be factory or team with Honda backing,the chances of this happening goes up with Nissan going LMP1 in 2015)

[Gingers4Justice]

That's really depressing.

A wheel hasn't turned yet but already, the new regs seem even worse for privateers, if anything.

How many more of these P1s are going to turn into P2s?

[Articus]

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

Wirth is re-working the 2014 HPD P1 Coupe to P2 specs.

HPD is also working on an all new P2 Engine.

Look for a announcement this Spring(around 24hrs of Le Mans).

I'm ready for a new HPD P2 engine. They current Oddysey engine isn't as competitive as the nissan-zytek engines.

[carbon_titanium]

Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

That's really depressing.

A wheel hasn't turned yet but already, the new regs seem even worse for privateers, if anything.

How many more of these P1s are going to turn into P2s?

New LMP1 regs are dramatically restrictive for privateers. Before 2011, for a private team was enough to buy one or two lola chassis + judd V10 leasing to start a competitive full/partial LMS + LM program. Now privates need to find a chassis manufacturer to build an lmp1, and then need of an engine supplier/tuner to have a motor that respect fuel flow restrictions. Actually is hard to find any real good and serious reason to enter in lmp1 for a private team. I fear that in future LMP1 class will be reserved only for manufacturers work team and LMP2 class will be reserved only for private teams.

[Christian Mogami]

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

Wirth is re-working the 2014 HPD P1 Coupe to P2 specs.

HPD is also working on an all new P2 Engine.

Look for a announcement this Spring(around 24hrs of Le Mans).


The HPD P1 Coupe and Power-Unit is way too expensive for a privateer team
to run(if they run it in 2015,it will be factory or team with Honda backing,the chances of this happening goes up with Nissan going LMP1 in 2015)

Also almost forgot,I can name source on this info,very rare!

Nick Wirth at the Autosport Show.

[Mr Pink]

Originally Posted by carbon_titanium

New LMP1 regs are dramatically restrictive for privateers. Before 2011, for a private team was enough to buy one or two lola chassis + judd V10 leasing to start a competitive full/partial LMS + LM program. Now privates need to find a chassis manufacturer to build an lmp1, and then need of an engine supplier/tuner to have a motor that respect fuel flow restrictions. Actually is hard to find any real good and serious reason to enter in lmp1 for a private team. I fear that in future LMP1 class will be reserved only for manufacturers work team and LMP2 class will be reserved only for private teams.

Maybe in the future one solution would be to bring the LMP2s up to speed with the LMP1, at least on tighter circuits. Sort of like they were in the ALMS a few years ago.

[hondafan37]

Originally Posted by Mr Pink

Maybe in the future one solution would be to bring the LMP2s up to speed with the LMP1, at least on tighter circuits. Sort of like they were in the ALMS a few years ago.

I think like you, the ACO should give more rules benefits to private to attract more P1. The privateers LMP1 must be in 800 Kg or 775 kg, to have a chance at competing for overall victories, at least in some WEC circuits with more curves than Le Mans.

[Starfish Primer]

IMHO ACO would never let privateers to go for overall wins aganist the manufacturers. Manufacturers bring a lot of money and media focus to the races.

There is always the threat of a works car disguised as privateer (Dauer Porsche) using the privateer loophole.

I would scrap the Silver drivers in the LMP2 for the WEC and Le Mans like in the TUSCC. I understand that Ams have been always there in endurance racing but I don't want to see reserved seats for them. Or drivers with factory support like the Nissan Academy ones acting as Ams.

[Simmi]

Originally Posted by Starfish Primer

I would scrap the Silver drivers in the LMP2 for the WEC and Le Mans like in the TUSCC. I understand that Ams have been always there in endurance racing but I don't want to see reserved seats for them. Or drivers with factory support like the Nissan Academy ones acting as Ams.

You don't think that might kill the class? Don't see what it has to do with privateer P1 entries anyway.

[Starfish Primer]

Originally Posted by Simmi

You don't think that might kill the class? Don't see what it has to do with privateer P1 entries anyway.

Oh, I missed part of my disertation,

If there is a place for privateers is LMP2 and leave LMP1 to factory supported teams. I'm really concerned if privateers will be able to handle all the new LMP1 hybrid technology.