2014 Japanese Super GT

[TheNo1F1Fan]

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

Second open test at Sepang and no Honda??!!

Honda might not be ready, but I'm unsure about that.

[AkioAsakura95]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

New team plan was of Nissan.
But it was not realized.

According to Autosport magazine,
There is a rumour that AUDI makes a works team participated in GT300 class.
Hitotsuyama racing might be a works team.

If Nissan canceled the new team plan then how??? Will the other manufacturer replaced the new team planning???

[AkioAsakura95]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

Taki Inoue tweets that Yokohama tires and TRD offered stylish assistance (for Yuhi Sekiguchi).
https://twitter.com/takiinoue/status/424892978151182336

Judging from this tweet, it seems that Yuhi Sekiguchi was invited to the audition of team Bandoh.

It means Yuhi Sekiguchi will left Nissan and join Team Bandoh.

[TheNo1F1Fan]

Originally Posted by AkioAsakura95

It means Yuhi Sekiguchi will left Nissan and join Team Bandoh.

For me, I hope he will join the team.

[Japanese Samurai]

Team apr sells AUDI R8 LMS Ultra GT3 (MY12)
Price: 25,000,000 yen (Tax excluded)
http://www.apr-racing.com/apr-racing...ltra-for-sale/

[Japanese Samurai]

Motors TV might buy SGT broadcasting right.

"Super GT is possible, but by no means a cert. Super Formula would be ace but it's unlikely."
https://twitter.com/MotorsTV/status/425201955053383680

[TheNo1F1Fan]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

Motors TV might buy SGT broadcasting right.

"Super GT is possible, but by no means a cert. Super Formula would be ace but it's unlikely."
https://twitter.com/MotorsTV/status/425201955053383680

I hope that they'll buy the broadcasting right, so we can get every commentary from worldwide.

[Japanese Samurai]

Autosport web Sepang test Day 1 report
http://as-web.jp/news/info.php?c_id=2&no=53963
*AM
Cerumo(#1): Tachikawa, Hirate
Yokohama(#093): Yuhi Sekiguchi (Tire development, not audition for team Bandoh)
NISMO(#23): Tsugio Matsuda
IMPUL(#12): Hironobu Yasuda
KONDO(#24): Daiki Sasaki
GTR GT3(#3): Lucas Ordóñez, Kazuki Hoshino
*PM
Bridgestone(#093): Hiroaki Ishiura, Daisuke Ito
IMPUL(#12): Yasuda, Oliveira

[TF110]

No lap times I can find GTR's were 1st and 2nd fastest though.

[Japanese Samurai]

Originally Posted by TF110

No lap times I can find GTR's were 1st and 2nd fastest though.

AM
1 #3 Nissan GT-R NISMO GT500 1'54"668
2 #12 Nissan GT-R NISMO GT500 1'55"000
3 #093 Lexus RC-F 1'55"017
4 #1 Lexus RC-F 1'56"017
5 #24 Nissan GT-R NISMO GT500 1'57"250
6 #3 Nissan GT-R NISMO GT3 2'03"773
PM
1 #23 Nissan GT-R NISMO GT500 1'53"958
2 #1 Lexus RC-F 1'54"468
3 #12 Nissan GT-R NISMO GT500 1'54"833
4 #24 Nissan GT-R NISMO GT500 1'55"210
5 #093 Lexus RC-F 1'55"316
6 #3 Nissan GT-R NISMO GT3 2'03"125

[TheNo1F1Fan]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

AM
1 #23 Nissan GT-R NISMO GT500 1'54"668
2 #12 Nissan GT-R NISMO GT500 1'55"000
3 #093 Lexus RC-F 1'55"017
4 #1 Lexus RC-F 1'56"017
5 #24 Nissan GT-R NISMO GT500 1'57"250
6 #3 Nissan GT-R NISMO GT3 2'03"773
PM
1 #23 Nissan GT-R NISMO GT500 1'53"958
2 #1 Lexus RC-F 1'54"468
3 #12 Nissan GT-R NISMO GT500 1'54"833
4 #24 Nissan GT-R NISMO GT500 1'55"210
5 #093 Lexus RC-F 1'55"316
6 #3 Nissan GT-R NISMO GT3 2'03"125

At the PM time, the #23 GT-R was faster than the #18 Honda NSX from 2007, that made the car become 0.4 seconds faster than the current-record holder!

[Japanese Samurai]

According to Juichi Wakisaka blog,
His SGT sheet has not been decided yet.
http://www.js-style.com/blog/2014/01/24_5.html

[TF110]

Originally Posted by TheNo1F1Fan

At the PM time, the #23 GT-R was faster than the #18 Honda NSX from 2007, that made the car become 0.4 seconds faster than the current-record holder!

Yes. These cars are setting track records or equaling them. Even the test at Fuji, the Lexus was in the 1:30's.

[carbon_titanium]

2014 GT500 are 100kg lighter than previous GT500 specs. It helps a lot to compensate the loss of downforce given by the DTM homologated aero parts. Surely the power output is far to be only of 500hp. A german DTM audi, bmw or mercedes entering in GT500 will be at least 4-5 seconds slower, even using larger restrictors.

[DS"]

Originally Posted by carbon_titanium

2014 GT500 are 100kg lighter than previous GT500 specs. It helps a lot to compensate the loss of downforce given by the DTM homologated aero parts. Surely the power output is far to be only of 500hp. A german DTM audi, bmw or mercedes entering in GT500 will be at least 4-5 seconds slower, even using larger restrictors.

Actually, the power output of a DTM car is also 500hp. But since SuperGT uses turbo engines, they should still be a couple of tenth faster than their DTM counterparts.

[TheNo1F1Fan]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

According to Juichi Wakisaka blog,
His SGT sheet has not been decided yet.
http://www.js-style.com/blog/2014/01/24_5.html

Then would he return back to Team LeMans or join any other team?

[TheNo1F1Fan]

Originally Posted by carbon_titanium

2014 GT500 are 100kg lighter than previous GT500 specs. It helps a lot to compensate the loss of downforce given by the DTM homologated aero parts. Surely the power output is far to be only of 500hp. A german DTM audi, bmw or mercedes entering in GT500 will be at least 4-5 seconds slower, even using larger restrictors.

So the 2014 GT500 cars are faster than the old GT500s?

[carbon_titanium]

Only a couple of tenth? Disagree. Let's compare some factors.

Tyres: DTM uses hankook spec tyres, GT500 tyres supplier is free. Useless to say that Michelin and Bridgestone GT500 tyres are state of art, much more better than hankook spec tyres.

Weight: DTM is 1110kg driver inside, 2014 GT500 is 1000kg without driver, let's give an average min. weight of 1075kg.

Aero: Assume that both DTM and GT500 will have the same aero efficency, being used basicly the same chassis design and aero parts for both series.

Engine: DTM poweroutput is between 455-480hp with a torque peak in excess of 500Nm (sources from the official site). Actually nobody but GT500 engineers can tell exactly what will be the real 2014 GT500 output, but watching the test laptimes surely will be close to 525-530hp of previous GT500 specs. Using a turbo engine, torque release will be much more than 500Nm... let's add also the hybrid boost, and I think that won't be unrealistic to talk about >700Nm of combined torque.

With the same aero efficency, GT500 will have much better tyres, will be in the range of 30-40kg lighter and clearly more powerfull than german DTM cars. Honestly we should expect more than just a pair of tenth of difference.

[TheNo1F1Fan]

Originally Posted by carbon_titanium

Only a couple of tenth? Disagree. Let's compare some factors.

Tyres: DTM uses hankook spec tyres, GT500 tyres supplier is free. Useless to say that Michelin and Bridgestone GT500 tyres are state of art, much more better than hankook spec tyres.

Weight: DTM is 1110kg driver inside, 2014 GT500 is 1000kg without driver, let's give an average min. weight of 1075kg.

Aero: Assume that both DTM and GT500 will have the same aero efficency, being used basicly the same chassis design and aero parts for both series.

Engine: DTM poweroutput is between 455-480hp with a torque peak in excess of 500Nm (sources from the official site). Actually nobody but GT500 engineers can tell exactly what will be the real 2014 GT500 output, but watching the laptimes surely will be close to 525-530hp of previous GT500 specs. Using a turbo engine, torque release will be much more than 500Nm... let's add also the hybrid boost, and I think that won't be unrealistic to talk about >750Nm of combined torque.

With the same aero efficency, GT500 will have much better tyres, will be in the range of 30-40kg lighter and clearly more powerfull than german DTM cars. Honestly we should expect more than just a pair of tenth of difference.

Agreed about that "GT500 cars will have much better tyres". Let's move forward.

[Japanese Samurai]

Originally Posted by TheNo1F1Fan

Then would he return back to Team LeMans or join any other team?

As for GT500, there is no chance except for the team Bandoh.

[TheNo1F1Fan]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

As for GT500, there is no chance except for the team Bandoh.

Team Bandoh?! That means neither Ara or Couto might lose the Team Bandoh seat if he joins the team.

[MagVanisher]

@carbon_titanium

In short, DTM cars are at a disadvantage despite "negotiating" with the ruleset with Super GT.

Honestly, I think Audi and Mercedes are too scared to be stomped by the likes of Honda, Nissan, and Lexus/Toyota. No comment for BMW though... The only I can say is "Good Luck!" to them when they joined the GT500 class.

[carbon_titanium]

In short, GT500 will use better tyres, will be lighter and will have a more powerfull engine + hybrid system. 2013 GT500 ran close to private lmp1 best laptimes at fuji, 2013 DTM ran in lmp2 laptimes at redbull ring. If 2013 GT500 were already faster than 2013 DTM, 2014 GT500 cars will be faster than 2013 GT500 so at least 4-5 seconds faster than 2014 DTM (that basicly are 2013 DTM with minor updates because the spec freeze rule).
In my opinion german DTM manufacturers will approach to super GT, only when the L4 2.0 engine formula will become mandatory also in DTM.

[TheNo1F1Fan]

Originally Posted by carbon_titanium

In short, GT500 will use better tyres, will be lighter and will have a more powerfull engine + hybrid system. 2013 GT500 ran close to private lmp1 best laptimes at fuji, 2013 DTM ran in lmp2 laptimes at redbull ring. If 2013 GT500 were already faster than 2013 DTM, 2014 GT500 cars will be faster than 2013 GT500 so at least 4-5 seconds faster than 2014 DTM (that basicly are 2013 DTM with minor updates because the spec freeze rule).
In my opinion german DTM manufacturers will approach to super GT, only when the L4 2.0 engine formula will become mandatory also in DTM.

Okay.

[TF110]

LMP2 cars were pretty close to GT500 times at Fuji last year. I think DTM is about 1-2 seconds slower than 2013's GT500. So around 3 seconds this year if there are no improvements to DTM. A good part is tires, and Im sure the DTM style is making a little more downforce with the additional wings and aero pieces allowed. Imagine if they had the full width rear wing!