Chevron B19 - Page 13

Delbert · 5 Jan 2009, 22:57 (Ref:2365948)

The Chimp a picture and description
http://www.imps4ever.info/specials/chimp.jpg
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999
From: Graham Begley
To: imps@onelist.com
Subject: [imps] Baby Bertha and the Chimp

Regular readers of 'Classics' will know that Bill Blydenstein, the legendary Borgward and Vauxhall go-faster merchant has been writing a nostalagic series on his triumphs with Dealer Team Vauxhall (DTV). This month (May 1999) he concludes his series with the story of the ultimate Firenza, Baby Bertha, driven to victory after victory by Gerry Marshall.
Included in the article is the following piece and the attached photograph entitled 'BB gets out of shape with Chimp'. Both are reproduced here with all due deference and acknowledgement to the gracious Mr. Blydenstein and 'Classics' magazine.

"Our Super Saloon competitors had not been idle. Mick Hill's rear-engined Chevy V8 VW Beetle looked the part, but rarely produced the goods on the track. One that did was Jonathan Buncombe's Chimp, an Imp powered by a 270bhp Swindon Racing Engines 2.0-litre FVD and based on a Chevron B21 sports car monocoque. It caused a sensation at the opening meeting at Silverstone, qualifying just four hundredths of a second behind polesitter Marshall. Bertha blasted away on the straights, but Buncombe would harry the Firenza in corners. For once the boot was on the other foot, and Bertha started to break sweat. A lap from the end fuel starvation momentarily slowed the Firenza and Buncombe went ahead only for Marshall to outbrake the Chimp into Woodcote. On the final lap Bertha slid wide at Club Corner and a delighted Buncombe was through to win on the line. Gerry congratulated him on the podium as he received his cup and Driver of the Day award, and the headlines all screamed 'Beaten at Last!'...
But there was a sting in the tail. At Thruxton for the next round, the Chimp was protested on two counts by Nick Whiting: an incorrect spoiler and non-standard wheelbase. Effectively this put an end to its challenge for the championship — pity, because it deserved to succeed and very nearly did. Good cars never die though, and more than 20 years on the Chimp has been rebuilt as a Chevron and is competing in international historic racing."

I have seen the Chimp described as being the Lepp B19 but in this article it describes it as a B21 so I don't know which is correct!

Steve Wilkinson · 6 Jan 2009, 00:56 (Ref:2366009)

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftwood

Steve w the chevron b19 21 car that amanda and george have sprinted for donkeys years- what do u know abiut it? i saw it few yrs ago at brighton speed trials but not close up/didnt stick my head into cockpit/talk to them
i recall something on the car body " Siffert"

It was supposed to be an ex-Jo Siffert Racing car that was run in the Martini Trophy meeting at Silverstone.

henk4 · 6 Jan 2009, 06:58 (Ref:2366096)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delbert

Pieter I think your photo's must be from silverstone 2007. I spoke to the owner of the Canon B19 - a very nice Frenchman called Alain Schlesinguer. I showed him my copy of AS november 71. the front cover has the Springbok race - a Canon car (his?), Lepp car, Schickendanz Oldenkott car plus others that I am afraid I don;t know who they are.

I love the Scotland Chassis plate with the purple rivets!

Delbert, the watermark on the pictures reads 2007. (your car and the Canon) 2006 was only mentioned in relation to Allen Timpany's car, which also ran in 2006.
With the new knowledge that we have can we say that the Schlesinguer car is nr. 10A?

allenbrown · 6 Jan 2009, 09:39 (Ref:2366188)

Another car on the list is B19.71.15. Graham Gauld knows more:

Quote:

Originally posted by Graham Gauld on the Celebrities in racing thread on TNF
Ref Petefenelon

The car that Noakes drove was the unique Chevron BMW the only one fitted with a 3 litre straight-six BMW engine.When researching a potential book on Chevron I dug up the story of this car.A German enthusiast arrived at Chevron with a 6 cylinder BMW engine in the back of his car and wanted it squeezed into a Chevron B19.
It was chassis no M71/15 and according to Derek Bennett's hand written chassis book the man who ordered it was Dieter Bentz. However, I believe he never came back to collect the car and it was eventually sold off. So it was a formidable car to drive up a hill climb.

Is this the car later driven in hillclimbs by Phil Scragg? Who had it before Scragg?

allenbrown · 6 Jan 2009, 10:13 (Ref:2366216)

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftwood

I also have a note that Phil Scragg ends up with the 3 litre BMW powered B19 car in 73 ( i have also just found this car for sale in USA In jaegermeiester livery carrying B21-72-27 tag "ex Phil Scragg" car for sale- "Originally driven by British hill-climber Phil Scragg, this Chevron B21 was subsequently sold by Fred Opert Racing to Canadian Brian Burgess who ran it in the Can-Am 2-liter class."
this car was the 3 litre BMW powered B19 car for sale late 71 lengthened to take longer engine

Steve - any way to find out if Scragg really did sell the B19-Alpina to Canada?

allenbrown · 6 Jan 2009, 10:30 (Ref:2366228)

We're doing good work on the 1971 B19s and tracing them forward owner-by-owner towards the present day. The other half of the problem is to take the current B19s and trace them backwards owner-by-owner until some of them start to meet.

Can we make a list of cars racing in 2008 and in 2007 together with what we know of them?

To start it off:
Racing in 2008
Sandy Watson ("DBE-17"; previous owner: ?)
etc

Racing in 2007
Alain Schlesinguer ("ex-Canon"; previous owner: unknown)
Allan Timpany ("B19-70-S-10"; previous owner: ?)
etc

Can someone volunteer to keep the list organised as it grows please?

Steve Wilkinson · 6 Jan 2009, 11:32 (Ref:2366261)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Steve - any way to find out if Scragg really did sell the B19-Alpina to Canada?

According to Chris Mason in his superb Uphill Racers opus:

"Mike MacDowel reappeared .... at the wheel of a sports car. He had bought the splendid ex-Bancroft/Scragg Chevron-Alpina B19 ...". This being in 1975 when MacDowel finished 9th at Wiscombe (18/05/75), 10th at Shelsley (08/06/75) and 9th at Prescott (07/09/75).

Unsure what happened to the B19 after 1975! For 1976 MacDowel was out in the RT1 that became the Coogar.

allenbrown · 6 Jan 2009, 11:51 (Ref:2366273)

Good man Steve. So is this right?

B19.71.15: Unraced 1971 -> Tony Bancroft 1972 -> Phil Scragg 1973-74 -> Mike MacDowel 1975 ...

allenbrown · 6 Jan 2009, 11:57 (Ref:2366278)

More here on the Chimp. This has the Chimp going to Paul Howarth for 1977 (and rebuilt to a B19 again) and then to Vin Malkie for 1978.

driftwood · 6 Jan 2009, 12:19 (Ref:2366289)

go to orwell site for a list of cars running there

ross maxwell b19-3
kevin wilkins b19 -9 &21 -12 or 22?cars
dr alex l b19-10
sandy watson b19-
jonathon loader b19-30
chris roche B19- ex john grant car
kent Abrahamssom B19
vincent rivet b19
hugh price b21

Masters cars
robin harvey

Simon Hadfield · 6 Jan 2009, 13:07 (Ref:2366331)

The 3 litre car reappeared in historic racing with Richard Thwaites in the late 80s early 90s? then to Kent Abrahamson as far as I recall. I would guess that as an old hillclimber Richard might have kept tabs on it.

henk4 · 6 Jan 2009, 13:27 (Ref:2366347)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

We're doing good work on the 1971 B19s and tracing them forward owner-by-owner towards the present day. The other half of the problem is to take the current B19s and trace them backwards owner-by-owner until some of them start to meet.

Can we make a list of cars racing in 2008 and in 2007 together with what we know of them?

To start it off:
Racing in 2008
Sandy Watson ("DBE-17"; previous owner: ?)
etc

Racing in 2007
Alain Schlesinguer ("ex-Canon"; previous owner: unknown)
Allan Timpany ("B19-70-S-10"; previous owner: ?)
etc

Can someone volunteer to keep the list organised as it grows please?

Allen,

I just opened a second sheet in the original spreadsheet, whereby the chassis numbers are put on the horizontal axis and the years on the vertical axis. In this way we can work both bottom up and top down. See attachment. By using a second sheet we keep all the collected information together in one document. I also have the first sheet updated to include the information that became known yesterday.
When checking owners identities, I came across an anomaly regarding the blue car I posted in #281 as Chassis #21. See picture number 6. At the Chevron celebation in 2005, this car was shown, and the infosheet was shot there, but in the 2008 programme the same car reappears, same owner, but now carrying chassis Nr. 7, which actually has the precise history as claimed three years earlier for chassis 21.
I also refer to the very first post of this thread, whereby the Redm,an/Hailwood car is given as chassis 27, and I think it is car T in your list. Can that be confirmed. Further to the Swart case, if he states he has now 25, would that mean that the first O car was not totaled as much as we thought?

allenbrown · 6 Jan 2009, 13:43 (Ref:2366354)

The Freixenet Trophy, Donington 14 Sep 1986

Richard Thwaites - Chevron B19 BMW Alpina

allenbrown · 6 Jan 2009, 13:52 (Ref:2366362)

Quote:

Originally Posted by henk4

Allen,

I just opened a second sheet in the original spreadsheet, whereby the chassis numbers are put on the horizontal axis and the years on the vertical axis. In this way we can work both bottom up and top down. See attachment. By using a second sheet we keep all the collected information together in one document. I also have the first sheet updated to include the information that became known yesterday.

That should work well but can we keep the list of current cars on the thread so it's easier for other people to comment on them.

It's too early to try to allocate original B19 identities to the cars racing today. There are too many claims and counter-claims and they all need to be sorted out, checked and cross-checked. We have already seen a perfectly reasonable-looking history for B71.19.3 completely contradicted moments later.

Quote:

Originally Posted by henk4

When checking owners identities, I came across an anomaly regarding the blue car I posted in #281 as Chassis #21. See picture number 6. At the Chevron celebation in 2005, this car was shown, and the infosheet was shot there, but in the 2008 programme the same car reappears, same owner, but now carrying chassis Nr. 7, which actually has the precise history as claimed three years earlier for chassis 21.

That's why I want to go by owners' names for now and construct chains of ownership so we can take each car back in time. As owners learn more about their cars, they may change the claimed history.

Quote:

Originally Posted by henk4

I also refer to the very first post of this thread, whereby the Redm,an/Hailwood car is given as chassis 27, and I think it is car T in your list. Can that be confirmed

Not yet but I'm working on it. However, the car mentioned in that post has to be treated as all the rest of the current cars and we have to take it back owner by owner until we establish its origins.

Quote:

Originally Posted by henk4

Further to the Swart case, if he states he has now 25, would that mean that the first O car was not totaled as much as we thought?

Maybe. All we know at the moment is that Swart has (had?) a car that claims the number 25. Do we know who he bought it from and when?

henk4 · 6 Jan 2009, 14:12 (Ref:2366380)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

That should work well but can we keep the list of current cars on the thread so it's easier for other people to comment on them.

Of course, but in the end the comments need to be structured on a regualr basis, otherwise one will loose track very quickly.The problem is that on a thread like this there is no fixed place for the spreadsheet, it is always attached to (my) posts.

allenbrown · 6 Jan 2009, 14:31 (Ref:2366384)

Quote:

Originally Posted by nj1052

[Jorg Zaborowski] bought it, confirmed as "Chassi Nr. 71/3" in paperwork, through a shipping agent Heinz Derflinger in January 1972

I don't think I was paying attention earlier, or maybe I was just distracted by the mention of a list of original owners, but Heinz Derflinger is one of the original drivers that we're looking for:

R. Hasag: Heinz Derflinger at Wunstorf 15 Aug

If this Shardlow/Zabrowski car isn't the Siffert/Larrousse car, as the B19 owners list suggest, maybe it is this Deflinger car 'R'?

henk4 · 6 Jan 2009, 16:13 (Ref:2366450)

so here are some results of going through the programmes of the Steigenberger cup, in Zandvoort, Spa and the Ring.
There is a hard core of entries, with sometimes an interloper. I included B16 entries, just for the sake of not having to do such a search again

Historic GP Zandvoort 29-30 August 1987

Chevron B19, 1971 #172 Liberty Taverns/Andrew Marker
Chevron B19, 1971 #176 Auto Neuser/Rolf Hadorn
Chevron B19, 1971 #177 Christoph Schausberger
Chevron B19, 1971 #178 Claus Peter Beckhauser
Chevron B19, 1971 #180 Team Decorplast/Peter-Paul Duerig
Chevron B19, 1971 #191 Hans Werner Pepperhof

Historic GP Zandvoort 25/26 August 1990

Chevron B19, 1971 #59 AT&T Istel/Chris Giles
Chevron B19, 1971 #52 Alain Filhol
Chevron B16, 1970 #56 Kent Abrahamson
Chevron B19, 1971 #61 Jonas Qvarnstrom
Chevron B16, 1970 #45 Jost Kalisch
Chevron B19, 1971 #45 Quadriga Treverorum/P. Beckhauser
Chevron B19, 1971 #62 E. Swart Racing/Ed Swart
Chevron B19, 1971 #44 Vin Malkie/Helen Bashford

Trophee Des Ardennes 16-17 May 1992

Chevron B19, 1971 #43, Quadriga Treverorum/P. Beckhauser
Chevron B19, 1971 #44, AMG Laufer/Fred Laufer
Chevron B19, 1970 #46, Ferrari Club Suisse, Arnold Seiler
Chevron B19, 1971 #53, Owners Abroad/John Sheldon
Chevron B19, 1971 #54, Dorset Racing/Martin Birrane
Chevron B16, 1970 #56, Kent Abrahamson
Chevron B19, 1971 #59, AT&T Istel/Chris Giles
Chevron B19, 1971 #61, Jonas Qvarnstrom
Chevron B19, 1971 #62, E. Swart Racing/Ed Swart
Chevron B19, 1971 #64, Vin Malkie/Helen Bashford
Chevron B19, 1971 #67, Beurleys (JB) Racing/ Jean Michel Martin
Chevron B16, 1970 #91, Zaborowski/Dieter Quester

Oldtimer Festival Nuerburgring 26/27/28 June 1992

Chevron B19, 1971 #41 John Hugenholtz
Chevron B19, 1971 #43, Quadriga Treverorum/P. Beckhauser
Chevron B19, 1971 #44, AMG Laufer/Fred Laufer
Chevron B16, 1970 #45, Rainer Klink
Chevron B19, 1970 #46, Ferrari Club Suisse, Arnold Seiler
Chevron B19, 1971 #53, Owners Abroad/John Sheldon
Chevron B19, 1971 #54, Dorset Racing/Martin Birrane
Chevron B19, 1971 #56, Kent Abrahamson
Chevron B19, 1971 #59, AT&T Istel/Chris Giles
Chevron B19, 1971 #61, Jonas Qvarnstrom
Chevron B19, 1971 #62, E. Swart Racing/Ed Swart
Chevron B19, 1971 #64, Vin Malkie/Helen Bashford
Chevron B19, 1971 #67, JB Racing/Philippe Martin

Trophee Des Ardennes 15-16 May 1993

Chevron B19, 1971 #1 Unisource/Chris Giles
Chevron B19, 1971 #43, Quadriga Treverorum/P. Beckhauser
Chevron B19, 1971 #44, AMG Laufer/Fred Laufer
Chevron B19, 1970 #48, VEC Racing/Hubert Ravier
Chevron B19, 1971 #52, Peak Textiles/Mike Wrigley
Chevron B19, 1971 #53, Owners Abroad/John Sheldon
Chevron B19, 1971 #56, Kent Abrahamson
Chevron B19, 1971 #57, Jan Brunstedt
Chevron B19, 1971 #59, AT&T Istel/Chris Giles
Chevron B19, 1971 #62, E. Swart Racing/Ed Swart
Chevron B19, 1971 #64, Vin Malkie/Helen Bashford

Oldtimer Festival Nuerburgring 25/26/27/ June 1993

Chevron B19, 1971 #43, Quadriga Treverorum/P. Beckhauser
Chevron B19, 1971 #44, Fred Laufer
Chevron B19, 1970 #46, Ferrari Club Suisse, Arnold Seiler
Chevron B19, 1972 #48, VEC Racing/Hubert Ravier
Chevron B19, 1971 #52, Peak Textiles/Mike Wrigley
Chevron B19, 1971 #53, John Sheldon
Chevron B19, 19?? #55, Coys/ J. Pattensen (probably Jeffrey Pattison)
Chevron B19, 1971 #56, Kent Abrahamson
Chevron B19, 1971 #62, E. Swart Racing/Ed Swart
Chevron B19, 1971 #64, Vin Malkie/Helen Bashford
Chevron B19, 1971 ???? Unisource/Chris Giles

Historic GP Zandvoort 28/29/30 August 1993

Chevron B19, 1971 #1 Unisource/Chris Giles
Chevron B19, 1971 #40 Racing Team Holland/Hans Hugenholtz
Chevron B19, 1971 #43, Quadriga Treverorum/P. Beckhauser
Chevron B19, 1971 #44, Fred Laufer
Chevron B19, 1971 #52, Peak Textiles/Mike Wrigley
Chevron B19, 1971 #53, John Sheldon
Chevron B19, 1971 #56, Kent Abrahamson
Chevron B19, 1971 #62, E. Swart Racing/Ed Swart
Chevron B19, 1971 #64, Vin Malkie/Helen Bashford

allenbrown · 6 Jan 2009, 16:20 (Ref:2366456)

Nice one Pieter!

henk4 · 6 Jan 2009, 17:20 (Ref:2366479)

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftwood

Henks foto of the yellow B19 i think is the usa lawrence?? 19-71-08 car

Checked other shots, name written on the car is Larry Kessler.

Steve Wilkinson · 6 Jan 2009, 17:20 (Ref:2366480)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Good man Steve. So is this right?

B19.71.15: Unraced 1971 -> Tony Bancroft 1972 -> Phil Scragg 1973-74 -> Mike MacDowel 1975 ...

Certainly OK for the 1972 to 1975 bit - no idea what the car was doing in 1971 though! I might see Tony Bancroft later in the year so will make a note now to ask (a) who he bought the B19 off and when, (b) when he sold it to Scragg, and (c) if he knows where it went after 1975.

allenbrown · 6 Jan 2009, 18:41 (Ref:2366525)

Nick Craw and Bill Barber Sebring or Daytona (I can't tell) early 1972

Copyright Nick Craw 1972, 2008; used with permission. (With thanks to Jeremy)

AC. Marathon Oil Racing [Fred Opert Racing]: Nick Craw/Bill Barber (FVC; "had started life as a B16 coupe")

After hacksawing the B16 roof off, it rather looks like they got a nice B19 body and fitted that instead

driftwood · 6 Jan 2009, 18:45 (Ref:2366528)

NOTE ROLL HOOP NOT ORIGINAL B19 IN SHAPE- WHAT ARE THE CILLS LIKE ROUND B16 OR SQUARE B19

RE THE 3 LITRE CAR- IT WAS FRO SALE END OF 71 SEE MY AS FOR SALE LISTING IT LATE IN 71 EARLY 72 FOR SALE

Simon Hadfield · 6 Jan 2009, 18:47 (Ref:2366530)

I would say Daytona if that is the pitlane and would point out the non standard rollhoop, very B16s-ish and would also point out that as any fule kno the B16 roof unbolts!

driftwood · 6 Jan 2009, 18:50 (Ref:2366531)

Trophee Des Ardennes 15-16 May 1993
Chevron B19, 1971 #53, Owners Abroad/John SheldonB19-71-8

Historic GP Zandvoort 29-30 August 1987

Chevron B19, 1971 #172 Liberty Taverns/Andrew MarkerANDREW MARLER?
Chevron B19, 1971 #177 Christoph Schausbergerhe is mate of rolf lamberty so poss b21 bmw car 21-72-12/22 now k wilkins car

allenbrown · 6 Jan 2009, 19:06 (Ref:2366537)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon Hadfield

... and would also point out that as any fule kno the B16 roof unbolts!

Silly me.

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