Sportscar/GT (and Le Mans) Rumours and Repetition - Page 141

Pandamasque · 14 Jun 2013, 12:35 (Ref:3262629)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

I am all for more prototypes and more factories, but some guy (Compatition manager or someone similar) said they were Only doing GT.

...which is a prototype anyways

deggis · 14 Jun 2013, 13:44 (Ref:3262652)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

BMW said a few months ago they were Not doing P1 because they didn't see any direct promo for their street cars. This happened not when BMW left F1 but well after the basics of the new P1 regs were public.

You must mean this: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107548

Breitling24 · 14 Jun 2013, 14:50 (Ref:3262670)

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Originally Posted by deggis

You must mean this: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107548

Similar to when Porsche announced their return to prototypes... they had considered F1, but felt sports cars made better sense for their marketing and development programmes, as opposed to a return to F1.

Maelochs · 14 Jun 2013, 15:13 (Ref:3262676)

And also this: SPORTSCAR: 5 Questions With BMW’s Jens Marquardt
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...ens-marquardt/

JM: "What's been a clear message from the board of directors back in Munich is that whatever activities we have, it's really something that should be production car-based. So [the focus is] our works efforts in the DTM as well as the GT program is based on M3s or Z4s. That's the story we want to tell and was part of the reason why BMW decided to withdraw from Formula One."

Thaw Daggerslash · 14 Jun 2013, 17:01 (Ref:3262715)

^From August, 2011.

That's enough time for their philosophy to have changed.

Who knows, let's wait and see.

TF110 · 14 Jun 2013, 20:26 (Ref:3262788)

GTE BOP has changed again!

Viper gets +5liters of fuel and -10kg, Aston gets +10kg more weight and Corvette gets +10kg.

Lanky Turtle · 15 Jun 2013, 03:44 (Ref:3262890)

I don't understand this constant dickering around by the ACO. Why should the teams bother developing and improving their cars if they're just going to be penalised for it by equalising them with everyone else?

Mt. Lynx · 15 Jun 2013, 08:40 (Ref:3262943)

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Originally Posted by Lanky Turtle

I don't understand this constant dickering around by the ACO. Why should the teams bother developing and improving their cars if they're just going to be penalised for it by equalising them with everyone else?

Because the fans like racing rather than a blowout? BOP is a part of racing nowadays. Well, it has been for a long time, but since the GT classes are no longer based on a power-to-weight ratio, bop has changed to a more visable format. That plus the fact that organizers are more open about it today. Deal with it.
Besides, what can the organizers do? Weight, restrictors and fueltank sizes? A racecar is quite a bit more than that.

sepulhead · 15 Jun 2013, 10:03 (Ref:3262961)

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Originally Posted by Mt. Lynx

Because the fans like racing rather than a blowout? BOP is a part of racing nowadays. Well, it has been for a long time, but since the GT classes are no longer based on a power-to-weight ratio, bop has changed to a more visable format. That plus the fact that organizers are more open about it today. Deal with it.
Besides, what can the organizers do? Weight, restrictors and fueltank sizes? A racecar is quite a bit more than that.

but they do it based on a wet session with only half an hour off dry running team A decide to go for a quick lap, team B decides to be verry carefull. team A is 5 sec a lap quicker. will they adjust BOP after every FP now? after qualiying?

Creep89 · 15 Jun 2013, 10:21 (Ref:3262966)

During the race

kurski · 15 Jun 2013, 12:12 (Ref:3263007)

Francois Sicard : "DAMS wants to go Endurance."

Mayde LMP2 or GT.

Coach Ep · 15 Jun 2013, 12:28 (Ref:3263011)

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Originally Posted by TF110

GTE BOP has changed again!

Viper gets +5liters of fuel and -10kg, Aston gets +10kg more weight and Corvette gets +10kg.

Were the Astons at -30kg? Looks to me they just been awarded 20 kg´s less.

Edit: similar for Vettes?

deggis · 15 Jun 2013, 13:24 (Ref:3263025)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Were the Astons at -30kg? Looks to me they just been awarded 20 kg´s less.

Edit: similar for Vettes?

Yes: http://www.fia.com/sites/default/fil...13-amended.pdf

From here: http://www.fia.com/sport/competitors...pionship%3A100

Simmi · 15 Jun 2013, 15:09 (Ref:3263051)

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Originally Posted by kurski

Francois Sicard : "DAMS wants to go Endurance."

Mayde LMP2 or GT.

They've been saying that for a couple of years. Hopefully they can find something finally for 2014.

Coach Ep · 15 Jun 2013, 15:14 (Ref:3263054)

Thanks deggis.

Beetle · 15 Jun 2013, 16:09 (Ref:3263062)

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Originally Posted by TF110

GTE BOP has changed again!

Viper gets +5liters of fuel and -10kg, Aston gets +10kg more weight and Corvette gets +10kg.

Damn thee!

Why can't they just get it right once and for all?

Anyway, I think that OAK Racing can make the step into LMP1. We say this like it's some big leap of faith, but don't forget that they were in LMP1 (and occasionally battling amongst Strakka and Rebellion) just last year. Even though Lotus seems to be almost always on the brink of financial collapse, Praga and Charouz will bring money and they had enough to develop a brand new LMP2 car, why not LMP1? Obviously if there is any big announcement regarding Nissan it probably won't be about LMP2... they've got plenty of Nismo gizmos out there already. Most likely it would be something along the lines of LMP1, whether that be the production of a new engine or the production and development of an LMP1 chassis. Of course, it could be about GTE, as well, but with the GT3-GTE merger coming up fairly soon, I doubt they'd spend time working on anything groundbreaking over in the GTE field now. Of course, BMW did...

Regarding a possible BMW LMP1 effort, I can't see there ever being a brand-new BMW LMP1 chassis being built again. Maybe a new engine to power some privateer teams. Mainly what I'm thinking of is a GTE-based effort over the Z4 GTE. Perhaps rotate from DTM/Super GT to WEC GTE? I think they're perfectly fine where they are... but if there's an announcement, that's all I can think of.

Honda easily has the money behind it to start up a much larger LMP1 program than they're running now.

Finally, Mercedes. It seems as though the SLS AMG was a one-hit pony. It's simply not raced that much anymore. Plus, Mercedes didn't put their full effort into DTM this year, which makes me think they are saving up for an all-out attack on the LMP1.

As far as Perrinn, I'd love to see that work out.

But I would venture to guess it will be a GreenGT-like flop.

Finally, a few more questions. Whatever happened to the Acura NSX GTE effort? Did that not work out?

Velociraptor · 15 Jun 2013, 16:37 (Ref:3263065)

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Originally Posted by Beetle

Mercedes didn't put their full effort into DTM this year, which makes me think they are saving up for an all-out attack on the LMP1.

Or maybe they're just outspending everybody in F1

Beetle · 15 Jun 2013, 18:53 (Ref:3263099)

That was a sexy car.

Rennen · 15 Jun 2013, 18:55 (Ref:3263100)

Seems to me, that there's no point unless you've got a Diesel programme!

Rennen · 15 Jun 2013, 18:58 (Ref:3263102)

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Originally Posted by Beetle

That was a sexy car.

Yeah, but if it can't stay on the ground, Sexy isn't going to cut it either!

Beetle · 15 Jun 2013, 18:58 (Ref:3263103)

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Originally Posted by Rennen

Yeah, but if it can't stay on the ground, Sexy isn't going to cut it either!

CTD · 15 Jun 2013, 19:12 (Ref:3263110)

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Originally Posted by Rennen

Yeah, but if it can't stay on the ground, Sexy isn't going to cut it either!

Exaclty!
Mercedes doesn't build sexy cars, they build sexy take-off machines

TF110 · 15 Jun 2013, 19:15 (Ref:3263115)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Were the Astons at -30kg? Looks to me they just been awarded 20 kg´s less.

Edit: similar for Vettes?

No. The -20kg is from the BASE of 1245kg. It was -30kg after Spa. They have been given 10kg more weight now. So they're running at 1225kg instead of 1215kg, originally it was 1205kg.

vincegail · 15 Jun 2013, 19:58 (Ref:3263130)

The Sauber C11 is not the same car as the CLR aka 'Norbert Haugs Flying Circus'!!!!

Victor_RO · 15 Jun 2013, 19:59 (Ref:3263132)

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Originally Posted by vincegail

The Sauber C9 is not the same car as the CLR aka 'Norbert Haugs Flying Circus'!!!!

No, but the C8 flew on its debut in 1985. Literally. Tire blow-out sent it flying from the Mulsanne hump at 220mph...

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