Formula Atlantic etc (was 'Chevron B29s') - Page 19

Chris Townsend · 30 Aug 2005, 13:56 (Ref:1394506)

Dan

Agree that Nugent's car was a JM5. It can't be the Rackham car because
Nugent races that car in 79 and 80, and Rackham's car is advertised as
unraced [only two test sessions] and there's also an early 80 ad that says
it's built December 79 to a 80 spec. Finally there are two issues of AS late
1980 where Rackham is still selling his car and Nugent puts his up for sale.
Agree the only JM8s were probably Goodwin and Arnold cars.

Chris and I have been in correspondence over that B29 - it has a chequered history
after leaving the hands of David Ward. Looks great though!

Smellybeard · 31 Aug 2005, 09:27 (Ref:1395309)

Nugent's Argo carried a JM6 plate.

allenbrown · 31 Aug 2005, 18:45 (Ref:1395737)

Opinion 3. Nugent's Argo was a JM3.

His biography appears in the 1981 Motor Racing Directory (p143) and it says:

"An Argo JM3 was acquired for 1979, but it wasd not too successful until properly developed in time for the 1980 season in conjuction with Argo. Mike called his car a 'JM8' although that number is allocated to the 1981 Formula 3 model."

Elsewhere in the directory (p466), Argo's models are given as:

JM1 1977-78 F3
JM1X 1979 Atlantic (converted JM1)
JM2 1978 FSV
JM3 1979 F3
JM4 1979 FSV
JM5 1979 Atlantic
JM6 1980 F3
JM7 1980 FSV
JM8 planned 1981 F3
JM9 planned 1981 Atlantic
JM10 planned 1981 FSV

However, this article describes Nugent's car as a JM5.

Dan Rear · 1 Sep 2005, 13:13 (Ref:1396406)

I'm wrong on FAt Argos chaps, the 81 car was JM9, NOT JM8, the latter being the 'fantastic' F3 car - The "Allegro". I still think the Nugent car was the JM%, not 3 or 6, and recall it being described thus in contemporary MN,AS reports.

Did any FAt Argos ever go to the States I wonder, given the reasonable results of the FSVs over there, I'd have thought there may have been some interest in the FAt versions.

Smellybeard · 1 Sep 2005, 19:41 (Ref:1396692)

When I first saw Nugent's Argo in Mondello it had a Tea tray front wing and sliding skirts. Late in 1979? I think I only saw it the once that year. I was a bit of a lemon (the worst bit... of a very sour lemon). I suposedly flexed badly among other things. It was returned to Anglia and what came back was a thinly disguised Modus. I painted a picture of the car for Mike in '80. That car other than the Atlantic specific engine, gearbox, brakes, etc. was like the F3 cars of 80.

Numbers, plates... These things were needed for crossing borders and nothing else in those days.

I think it is best to describe it as a nice shade of blue.

Smellybeard · 1 Sep 2005, 19:42 (Ref:1396693)

...oh, and Mike said he sold it to the States.

Dan Rear · 10 Oct 2005, 15:58 (Ref:1429731)

What did it do over there I wonder, SCCA only ? Dave, are you sure it had a JM6 plate, and that tea tray is interesting. Was it like the March 711 nose ?

Smellybeard · 10 Oct 2005, 16:12 (Ref:1429743)

It is twenty odd years ago but I'm as sure as anyone can be about the likes of this. It definitely was different to what it should have been (acording to the likes of Autosport). The original car looked more Ferrari than March. It looked mad beside B29s.

Bryan Miller · 9 Jan 2006, 22:16 (Ref:1498169)

A note to advise B29-75-03 is now in Australia in the hands of Howard Blight , we picked car up from Customs last Wenesday 4th Jan after arrival from the U.S.A. owner Ted Voruz , car is very original even after being converted to Can-am spec and back again , chassis plate still on car , rhs of bulkhead inside cockpit behind drivers shoulder .
Car will be re-built back to Fred Opert/Hector Rebaque specs with alloy block BDD 2 litre.
Unbelievably nothing has been mutilated , it is all a little tatty but no surgery of any type required just tlc.
Howard contacted previous owner Carl Liebick who went and inspected car on his behalf prior to purchase.
Bryan.

allenbrown · 9 Jan 2006, 22:33 (Ref:1498175)

It has Can-Am history?! Do you know who ran it in Can-Am?

Thanks

Allen

Chris Townsend · 10 Jan 2006, 09:58 (Ref:1498434)

Any history post Liebich in 1976 would be appreciated.

Thanks
Chris

allenbrown · 10 Jan 2006, 11:18 (Ref:1498501)

Frank Jellinek entered a #58 New England Racing Enter. Chevron B29 at Elkhart Lake 18 July 1983 but did not start. He then drove a #58 Taylor Instrument/Lou Infante Chevron B29 at Mosport Park 11 September 1983.

However, there were other unidentified Chevrons in the 2-litre class (Ray Petry, John Graham, Thomas Bungay and Jerry Molnar) so he's only a narrow favourite. Molnar's car was also entered by Lou Infante, Bungay's was #40 Atherton Racing, Petry's was his own and Graham's was the #77 Midland Racing car. Any number of these could have been sports cars instead of modified Atlantics.

Bertil Roos also drove a B27 in a full season of Can-Am in 1979.

Allen

Bryan Miller · 10 Jan 2006, 22:24 (Ref:1498958)

Thanks, that gives us some names to run past very uninterested previous owner in regard to history, and to try to ''jog'' Carls memory.

Bryan.

Chris Townsend · 11 Jan 2006, 10:53 (Ref:1499154)

Bryan

Here are some B29 users as single seater, who are likely candidates for this car:
Kenneth Valca
Lyle Heck
Ray Schuler
Doug Titus
David Klutsenbaker

Where was the car found?

Chris

allenbrown · 11 Jan 2006, 11:12 (Ref:1499167)

Hi Chris

Have you uncovered anything in your research about the Roos 1979 Can-Am Chevron B27 or the Frank Jellinek 1983 Can-Am Chevron B29?

Allen

Chris Townsend · 11 Jan 2006, 17:27 (Ref:1499347)

Other than it's dark blue with a yellow pinstripe and definitely not one of the cars he raced for Opert in 1974 - No.
The colour suggests ex Bobby Brown - last seen in a heap at Trois Rivieres in 1974.
He runs it in SCCA in early 79, even though he still owns a new RT1 from the previous year! One possibility for a future owner, check out a Frank Shober of New Jersey.
There's an issue with Chevron B27s. The build record ends with 18, the Brown car, but there have to be at least two others, possibly three, to accomodate all the users at particular times in 1974 for Opert and Shierson. A piece on Chevron in Sports Car which is right in respect of other builds, says 22 B27s constructed.

Where did Jelinek come from?

Chris

allenbrown · 11 Jan 2006, 18:20 (Ref:1499381)

According to autocourse.ca, Jelinek came from North Hampton, NH. Dominic obviously has access to a lot more entry lists than me (so far!).

Allen

Bryan Miller · 12 Jan 2006, 06:20 (Ref:1499659)

Chris,

Car came from near Elkart Lake in Wisconsin , is in the archive section of www.race-cars.com , this advert is prior to Ted Voruz purchasing and apart from a yellow paint job on the old panels and a BDD of some description installed and a small clean up is exactly the same as arrived last week, which is why we wanted it , I would suggest even the old matt black painted catch tank bracket and bungey cord are ex factory.
The FT200 main case has I would think the correct serial number on it , however the bearing carrier and end cover have a number pretty close to my BT35 number , so at some time it has destroyed/ had destroyed the bearing carrier section and that has been replaced with a unit from an older car.

Bryan.

allenbrown · 12 Jan 2006, 08:00 (Ref:1499684)

Simon Hadfield told me last night that Jelinek is still active in vintage racing. So should be easy to find.

Allen

Chris Townsend · 12 Jan 2006, 11:30 (Ref:1499827)

The yellow paint job would be Leibich's colour scheme, I think.
All his other cars were yellow, and Elkhart was his neck of the wood.
The only obvious candidate for a B29 up there, after that, is Schuler's car
which was also white or yellow.

Chris

Bryan Miller · 13 Jan 2006, 01:56 (Ref:1500300)

Chris,

The yellow paint was applied by Voruz , if you look at the archive section , the old body appears to have been dark blue, with some signage that I am unable to read.

Bryan.

Bryan Miller · 13 Jan 2006, 08:35 (Ref:1500367)

Chris,

The last time B29-75-03 was used according to old info is as a ' C ' sports racing car in 1985.

To answer your question from about 2 years ago in regards to this car on the archive section are two photo's of the car from period in yellow with '' Cafe Mexicano '' livery .
Car is also the Chevron Racing car show car and is featured in Autosport report of the show with 2 photographs.

Bryan.

allenbrown · 13 Jan 2006, 08:54 (Ref:1500373)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Miller

Chris,

The yellow paint was applied by Voruz , if you look at the archive section , the old body appears to have been dark blue, with some signage that I am unable to read.

Bryan.

"kendall gt-1"?

Chris Townsend · 13 Jan 2006, 09:49 (Ref:1500391)

Bryan

I have a very good side on picture of Rebaque's car at Edmonton 1975 and a
front on shot from Westwood.
Taken by Chris Waddell [who covered series as writer/photographer for
American journals]
I take it these would be of some use. In both pics the car is standard Opert pale blue with Cafe Mexico logos on the side. It may be that the original gel coat has reacted
with subsequent paints to darken it.

Bryan Miller · 16 Jan 2006, 06:03 (Ref:1502095)

Chris,

Certainly would appreciate photos or copies , I was about to contact L.A.T. [still will ] to check what they had from the Racing car show.

Please advise any costs involved and will send appropriate.

Regards Bryan.