Albers' pit-stop - Page 2

Red Bulldog · 2 Jul 2007, 12:17 (Ref:1952247)

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

Niki Lauda also commented on the incident:"I hope they don't let him start next race, he should be banned from F1, this was the most stupid thing I've ever seen in Formula 1".

And the FIA have given Albers a 5000 Euro fine for dangerous driving.

Yes, it looks like a career ending move by Albers, I wouldn't be surprised to see him replaced, even before Silverstone. His pit crew must be pig-biting mad!

Robin_D · 2 Jul 2007, 13:12 (Ref:1952287)

Van der Garde completed 5 laps in the test before humping the Spyker into the wall at Becketts.

There is no problem with the Mechanics as they did all they needed to do.

Red Bulldog · 2 Jul 2007, 13:28 (Ref:1952311)

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Originally Posted by Robin_D

There is no problem with the Mechanics as they did all they needed to do.

I'd like hear that from the mechanics themselves

veeten · 2 Jul 2007, 13:38 (Ref:1952320)

I'd say make Albers get out and pump his own fuel, just like the rest of us.

McKendrick · 2 Jul 2007, 13:41 (Ref:1952325)

[QUOTE=FPV GTHO]At the very least, perhaps the pit crew mechanics should be recognised by the FIA as trained. By that i mean like the drivers have to have superlicenses and pass medical tests, the mechanics need to pass FIA competancy tests.

Whilst these mistakes seem to be split between the mechanics, the driver and the pit controller, it seems to reason that making sure the mechanics as well as drivers are recognised as competant would surely leave less danger.

The mechanics of an F1 team are all highly trained and experienced. They have to be to get into F1. I think they may all be qualified enough to change a wheel, jack the car up or add fuel to the car in a pit stop. You have to remember that the teams are constantly practicing this. There will always be mistakes every now and then though because at the end of the day they are all human. As everyone working in motorsport knows there is a risk, but we all accept this. Pitstops occur in most major race series and the amount of accidents that actually happen are a very small percentage of the number of stops performed.

**Peter Mallett** · 2 Jul 2007, 13:51 (Ref:1952338)

I he gets canned I don't want to hear any "Albers is toast" comments.

Red Bulldog · 2 Jul 2007, 13:59 (Ref:1952344)

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Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

I he gets canned I don't want to hear any "Albers is toast" comments.

You'll have to explain that one to us colonials

**Peter Mallett** · 2 Jul 2007, 14:01 (Ref:1952345)

Doh!

The complaints about pit stops revolve around the risk of fire.

Red Bulldog · 2 Jul 2007, 14:18 (Ref:1952364)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Doh!

The complaints about pit stops revolve around the risk of fire.

Sometimes the obvious escapes me (at my age). I was expecting something like "we were brought up on Albers Rusks"

Pingguest · 2 Jul 2007, 14:30 (Ref:1952377)

It's clear that Albers caused the incident yesterday. But still then, it showed the danger of refuelling. Without refuelling something like this couldn't have happened.

Super Hans · 2 Jul 2007, 14:33 (Ref:1952383)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

I he gets canned I don't want to hear any "Albers is toast" comments.

Red Hot Dutch Arouses FIA Interest

Leighton Irwin · 2 Jul 2007, 14:41 (Ref:1952395)

Maybe we should have compulsory driver changes with every refueling stop. Just think how many more drivers would be in F1!

CDK 7 · 2 Jul 2007, 15:01 (Ref:1952424)

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Originally Posted by Leighton Irwin

Maybe we should have compulsory driver changes with every refueling stop. Just think how many more drivers would be in F1!

one or more drivers would be good make it fun

Knowlesy · 2 Jul 2007, 15:06 (Ref:1952432)

I have just had a quick view of the incident again to compare with Albers' comments ("I thought the lollipop lifted").

I honestly cannot see how he presumed this. Perhaps Spyker could facilitate the use of guide dogs for any future driving Albers does for them.

Unbelievable. I think that's the last we'll see of him in a race.

Sodemo · 2 Jul 2007, 15:10 (Ref:1952435)

Nasty incident without question, though I wondered how long it would take for something like this to happen, there have been a few close calls over the years.

TWRv12 · 2 Jul 2007, 15:17 (Ref:1952441)

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

Niki Lauda also commented on the incident:"I hope they don't let him start next race, he should be banned from F1, this was the most stupid thing I've ever seen in Formula 1".

And the FIA have given Albers a 5000 Euro fine for dangerous driving.

€5000 is not enough, for a major disaster like that, the FIA are taking the ****.
Niki is right they shouldn't let him start the next race, and they also shouldn't let Spyker run the car at all. The team was dumb enough to run him should suffer too.

Bet the Gascoyne hairdryer was on turbo after that

Super Hans · 2 Jul 2007, 15:33 (Ref:1952456)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TWRv12

...they also shouldn't let Spyker run the car at all. The team was dumb enough to run him should suffer too.

Spyker are blameless. They have employed a competent and experienced F1 driver, and he has made a stupid error. Calls for Albers to be banned are a bit OTT, I reckon.

Yannick · 2 Jul 2007, 17:50 (Ref:1952602)

Luckily, no one was hurt by this mistake. The FIA obviously had to do something, so Albers got a fine. That's OK, though not exactly cheap for a pay driver. Albers needs to practice some pit stops now and it should all work well again.
Van der Garde still doesn't have his superlicense, because Super Aguri brought him before the Contract Recognition Board, right?
So Albers will most likely stay in the race seat until the end of the season.

Mr V · 2 Jul 2007, 18:40 (Ref:1952662)

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Originally Posted by Yannick

The FIA obviously had to do something,

Maybe the FIA ought to introduce a rule that states that team's must leave the car up on the jacks until re-fueling is completed? At least a heavy footed driver can't actually go anywhere if he makes a mistake whilst the fuel rig is still attached.

**Peter Mallett** · 2 Jul 2007, 18:46 (Ref:1952672)

Yes,

It is not Spyker's fault that their driver failed to think.

That said I did think the lollipop moved upward so at the time I sympathised with Albers.

Taking what's been said here and indeed the discussion in the race thread I revert to my position that he really does not deserve a drive in F1.

But he is there and he should see out the season.

Piglet · 2 Jul 2007, 18:52 (Ref:1952677)

Quote:

Originally Posted by McKendrick

The mechanics of an F1 team are all highly trained and experienced. They have to be to get into F1. I think they may all be qualified enough to change a wheel, jack the car up or add fuel to the car in a pit stop. You have to remember that the teams are constantly practicing this. There will always be mistakes every now and then though because at the end of the day they are all human. As everyone working in motorsport knows there is a risk, but we all accept this. Pitstops occur in most major race series and the amount of accidents that actually happen are a very small percentage of the number of stops performed.

Whoo hoo common sense at last.

Motorsport is dangerous, it says so on the tickets and on the fence outside the pit lane.

Pit stops are dangerous, a pit lane is dangerous full stop. Mistakes happen especially in a race environment. Surely the fact that Albers and his crew weren't engulfed in an inferno indicates that the safety systems are there to avoid that happening?

An F1 pit lane is the most controlled pit lane I've seen, there are no punters, no guests and all team personnel near the car are suited and booted in fireproofs.

And I thought I was anti-risk!

Robin_D · 2 Jul 2007, 18:54 (Ref:1952679)

To be fair to Albers the lollipop did lift, although this was a milisecond before he would of hit it.

Knowlesy · 2 Jul 2007, 18:54 (Ref:1952681)

Here's an onboard of it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=My-rL46UlKc

The lollipop doesn't move up at all. The way Albers goes, it's as if he's on a suicide mission.

veeten · 2 Jul 2007, 18:56 (Ref:1952687)

Spyker needs the money, that's why...

Mr V · 2 Jul 2007, 19:00 (Ref:1952692)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Here's an onboard of it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=My-rL46UlKc

The lollipop doesn't move up at all. The way Albers goes, it's as if he's on a suicide mission.

Looking at that, the only thing i can think is as the lollipop guy turn's the "pop" around (brakes on to in gear) Alber's thinks it's time to go, but then he should be experienced to know how a pitstop works

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