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25 Aug 2002, 13:44 (Ref:365585)
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25 Aug 2002, 14:06 (Ref:365597)
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ooooh... *sighs*
Poor Felipe. 
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25 Aug 2002, 18:00 (Ref:365647)
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Unloyal Massa? if that's the case, nobody more loyal than Heinz... he didn't leave Sauber when Williams asked for him after Senna's death...
I think Frentzen does deserve this drive. By the way, I've never seen a "stauled" car in an F1 grid. |
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25 Aug 2002, 19:50 (Ref:365680)
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Is this Sauber's masterplan?
Step 1, get Massa under contract by offering him a race seat. Step 2, Bring in an experienced guy like Frentzen to give the team a morale boost at a time of need. Step 3, have massa testing for a year (as renault did with Alonso). Step 4, have Massa, who now knows all the ins & outs of the team, lead them, after Heidfeld has left for a bigger team. Simple. |
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25 Aug 2002, 19:57 (Ref:365682)
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I've got a feeling that something may have already been done as Massa hasn't said anything yet, if he was staying at Sauber in any role it would almost certainly have been announced along with the Frentzen decision.
I hope he does get a race seat and a half decent one at that (Fast running out of time I know). |
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25 Aug 2002, 23:19 (Ref:365744)
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Tough luck for Massa. What probably done him in was the whole team-order issues over Nurburgring and Hockenheim.
I have criticized FM this year, since there was so much pre-season hype over him being better than Kimi and the next Senna etc, etc. Although I don't want him to be locked out of the action. One thing that might come out of this is Massa switching to CART, and that I'd love to see. Last edited by Raven; 25 Aug 2002 at 23:23. |
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26 Aug 2002, 01:08 (Ref:365772)
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It does look like Felipe may test for Sauber next year. After that, he could either race for sauber the following year or be "sold" to another team.
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26 Aug 2002, 12:07 (Ref:365929)
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I think it's a shame for Massa, because he's obviously quick and he has the potential to do very well. But on the other hand, I can see the logic in wanting Frentzen's experience. A year testing could actually be just what Massa needs - it could help him to calm down, and he would also become very good at developing the car. The best drivers at developing a car have generally been test drivers first. A young, quick driver who isn't erratic anymore and has technical skill and awareness is somebody you'd want to have driving your car, right?
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26 Aug 2002, 15:59 (Ref:366014)
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sighahh!! Felipe Massa...
Another prey of the 'Senna Syndrome'. Btw.. A few weeks ago, I read somewhere... "DaMatta is the next Senna"... 
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27 Aug 2002, 06:45 (Ref:366402)
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Heidfield and Frentzen - what a dull line up!
Yawn - after the injection of excitement that Kimi and Massa have brought to the team over the last couple of years, Sauber are in for a borathon in 2003. How this is going to keep Sauber in the hunt for points, I'm not sure. Next year will be a lot tighter for point scoring positions, which means some aggressive driving, good grid poisitions and dare I say it, overtaking will be required. Has anybody ever seen Nick overtake anyone or produce a breath taking F1 moment? HHF won't get off the line for the first few races, until he's worked out how to use Sauber's launch control - and then get into one of his downward spirals. Why HHF continues to have this mystique about him is a mystery to me, if ever there was on overated driver that's underdelivered it's Frentzen. Peter Sauber has made some inspired driver choices recently - this isn't one of them.IMO. |
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27 Aug 2002, 12:37 (Ref:366572)
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IF Massa isn't in F1 next year, then i think it will be a travisty. OK, he's had his off's, but he's also proved that he has massive talent! His "highly regarded" team-mate, dispite being in his 3rd season of F1 only has 3 more points than Felipe!
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27 Aug 2002, 14:02 (Ref:366625)
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I agree, Massa is exciting to watch, has scored points and will improve. We need more Massa's in F1 and less afternoon cruisers.
Me thinks Sauber will be regretting choosing HHF by mid-season, as both Williams and Sauber have done before him. |
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27 Aug 2002, 14:07 (Ref:366627)
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I think that HH-F does deserve to be in F1, just a shame it's to the detriment of Massa who also deserves a place on the grid.
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27 Aug 2002, 15:40 (Ref:366699)
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HURRAH! Brilliant news!!! Heinzy back where it all began...
 Can't wait... GO HEINZ GO!!! WOOOOOO!!! (Am I too excited by this news?!)Stevey boy... your comments r.e Heinz... nothing to do with a certain Dutch bloke, eh?  
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27 Aug 2002, 17:21 (Ref:366785)
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27 Aug 2002, 21:51 (Ref:367029)
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So 2 magnificent wins and coming 3rd for Jordan in the 1999 WDC count for nothing? How about his astonishing drives this season in a car that *really* shouldn't be able to go that quick? Heinz and Nick will hopefully do great things for Sauber. Can't wait!!!
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27 Aug 2002, 22:49 (Ref:367060)
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28 Aug 2002, 17:45 (Ref:367616)
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A jinx... he didn't fold Williams or Jordan.
2000 and 2001... 2 podiums in 2000, I don't know how he can get to third-places "letting everyone by", despite not qualifying as well as Trulli. He also put the Prost 4th at Spa. Now steve nielsen would say "oh, he stauled the car" but Schumacher also did in Suzuka 98 and nobody reminds him. |
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28 Aug 2002, 17:51 (Ref:367621)
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Now I'm a little suspicious...I can understand the reasoning behind signing a driver with experience, but according to today's Motorsport News, Peter Sauber is trying to get himself a supply of VW engines. The German connection may not be entirely coincidental.
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28 Aug 2002, 18:33 (Ref:367651)
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28 Aug 2002, 20:22 (Ref:367753)
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The VWs would be Audis - that's why Audi aren't competing at Le Mans next year...
And Massa? He's been breaking cars as fast as they could make 'em - that would be instrumental in any sane boss's decision! |
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28 Aug 2002, 20:27 (Ref:367758)
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OK, Michael might have done that once, HHF did it 6 times in 2 years!
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28 Aug 2002, 21:55 (Ref:367794)
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Massa deserves to drive next year....so what he has had loads of off track moments....he's showed alot of talent and his head will deveop on time.....i think a years racing will do him more good than testing ever will.
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28 Aug 2002, 23:11 (Ref:367839)
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Well, Alonso was a way more safer driver than Massa and he is having to spend a year in testing
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28 Aug 2002, 23:27 (Ref:367847)
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Something tells me Pete is sick of competing for 6th.
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