New Team Brock For 2004 - Page 2

**GTRMagic** · 21 Oct 2003, 06:15 (Ref:757820)

Brock was just a driver though... didnt spend a lot of time with the team at the workshop or trackside, by his own choice most likely, but possibly by design....

Quested · 21 Oct 2003, 06:19 (Ref:757822)

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Ah Quested I'm a Ford man (obviously), but to say Brocky is just a driver, in the official factory team no less, would have to be sacrilegious wouldn't it?

Erm... no... why? In terms of his official capacity, Brock was just a driver - he was not, as some seem to believe, running the team or 'reviving' the team.

He did bring some much needed sponsorship and publicity, but that could be said to be a part of the duty of any driver in a professional team - it's just a duty that Brock met better than most.

Joe5619 · 21 Oct 2003, 06:19 (Ref:757823)

Quested... Yes brock did retire, but did he jump or was he pushed!!!!

Quested · 21 Oct 2003, 06:24 (Ref:757825)

No, Brock was not 'pushed'. I would dare to suggest that he would have been welcome to stay at HRT for two reasons - the positive effect he had on publicity (merchandise sales, etc), and the Mobil sponsorship.

moffman · 21 Oct 2003, 06:24 (Ref:757826)

I never said he was running or reviving the team I just pointed out that Brock is much more than just a driver (or an old has been according to Crennan) to all his fans.

MHDT · 21 Oct 2003, 06:28 (Ref:757833)

The Mobil sponsorship casts an interesting light on the Brock retirement.

Brock was contracted to Mobil, until 2002 in fact; and in turn Mobil 'supplied' HRT with it's preferred driver (namely Brock), as it's right as the major sponsor.

Brock was not due to leave his driving duties until 2002, not 1997. The word 'pushed' does spring to mind....

Quested · 21 Oct 2003, 06:34 (Ref:757839)

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Brock was contracted to Mobil, until 2002 in fact; and in turn Mobil 'supplied' HRT with it's preferred driver (namely Brock), as it's right as the major sponsor.

I am unaware of any contract between Mobil and Brock. (Not saying that none existed, but I am simply not aware of it.) I am also unaware that any sponsor has the right to elect drivers - can you enlighten us more on that one?

Brock and HRT came to an arrangement in late 1993. As far as I know, Mobil came along for the ride, so to speak. The initial contact was between HRT and Brock, not HRT and Mobil. Please fill me in on the details if I am wrong.

pete55 · 21 Oct 2003, 08:41 (Ref:757966)

Brockie and Lowndes being pushed, but maybe Murphy should be added to that. All seems to have happened since Skaife took up residence at HRT.
As for Brockie, maybe his future will be at Garry Rogers or with a new team run from an ex Ford franchisee who is rumoured to be concentrating on NC. I'm not sure how he would fit into the Paul Morris team if that was an option.

MHDT · 21 Oct 2003, 09:24 (Ref:758022)

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Originally posted by Quested
I am unaware of any contract between Mobil and Brock. (Not saying that none existed, but I am simply not aware of it.) I am also unaware that any sponsor has the right to elect drivers - can you enlighten us more on that one?

Brock and HRT came to an arrangement in late 1993. As far as I know, Mobil came along for the ride, so to speak. The initial contact was between HRT and Brock, not HRT and Mobil. Please fill me in on the details if I am wrong.

Short of having the actual contract in front of me, I cannot add much more. I'd be surprised if your HRT contacts wouldn't be able to verify this.

As you know, sponsors don't 'just go for the ride' when dealing with seven figure amounts; lawyers do get involved.

Also, it is not uncommon for sponsors to have a final say in a teams' driver selection - look no further than Paul Radisich and DJR.

Quested · 21 Oct 2003, 09:53 (Ref:758047)

What? This is becoming more and more ridiculous - now there is a suggestion that both Brock and Lowndes were 'pushed'!? What nonsense! Both Brock and Lowndes chose to leave the team. Brock retired voluntarily, and Lowndes left of his own will, although HRT did not want him to go. How anyone can suggest that Lowndes was 'pushed' is beyond me.

As for Murphy, he was not 'pushed' but was not invited to stay with the team after 1997 - really just a case of there not being a seat for him as Craig had returned from Europe. He was not happy about that, and the Team was not too happy about it, but it was a case of there only being two seats available.

The Hrt Kid · 21 Oct 2003, 10:00 (Ref:758055)

I reckon both Lowndes and Brock were pushed it makes sense.

Roy Slaven · 21 Oct 2003, 10:04 (Ref:758060)

Brock was a Mobil empolyee and when Mobil sponsored the team a stipulation was that Brock was one of the drivers. Holden and Crennan in particular where very, very reluctant at having Brock back as there was and still is a lot of bad blood about 1987. Crennan was one of the key players from Holden in the Polarizer debacle

Brock did chose to leave the team after he was put in a loose loose situation by the team management. He had very little choice but to leave.......

**GTRMagic** · 21 Oct 2003, 10:07 (Ref:758062)

Interestingly enough one of Brock's biggest supporters thru the 1987 debacle was Mr R.Borrett, now head of HMS central programming.

Its funny how attitudes change over 16 years or so isnt it....

craig1 · 21 Oct 2003, 10:41 (Ref:758098)

I recall reading somewhere that Lowndes wasn't actually made to feel welcome and that he didn't feel in control of his own career.Not actually pushed but what do you do if you don't feel happy in the enviroment your in.

**GTRMagic** · 21 Oct 2003, 11:41 (Ref:758156)

Team Brock is likely to be the new name for the Monaro squad in the Nations Cup series!

pete55 · 21 Oct 2003, 12:39 (Ref:758219)

I had thought that PB would team up with Garry Rogers. Who drives with GRM in V8 Supercars is conjecture but i think it will be Tander and Whincup.

Grimace · 21 Oct 2003, 13:39 (Ref:758289)

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Originally posted by moffman
Ah Quested I'm a Ford man (obviously), but to say Brocky is just a driver, in the official factory team no less, would have to be sacrilegious wouldn't it?

Ditto Quested,

Brocky is one Holden guy this FORD fan repects and admires,

HRT was at its best when Brocky and Lowdnes were there. "

Grimace · 21 Oct 2003, 13:44 (Ref:758291)

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Originally posted by moffman
I never said he was running or reviving the team I just pointed out that Brock is much more than just a driver (or an old has been according to Crennan) to all his fans.

Fancy Crennan having the audacity to ever say that about

V8s living legend(BROCK) -what a nasty bit of HRT work he

is!!!! (this a Ford fan talking >ever respectful of Brocky)

rossp1 · 21 Oct 2003, 20:53 (Ref:758735)

GTR magic, I like your scenario have you been bugging our offices?

Mattracer · 21 Oct 2003, 21:43 (Ref:758765)

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Originally posted by MHDT
No, and it would be best not to try and draw such short sighted comparisons.

Well sorry

, try this on for short sighted, what does it matter if Brock was pushed, fell, stepped on his d1ck and bumped his head, whatever, he'd be retired by now from V8 Supercar anyway and at least the Holden Dealer Team as it now is is still winning in the face of considerable pressure from Ford.

Brock was a brilliant driver it's a shame politics follows him everywhere.

Zinger · 21 Oct 2003, 22:22 (Ref:758812)

Team Brock Monaro's does have a nice ring to it, and I think it suits Holdens monaro image better.

MHDT · 21 Oct 2003, 22:27 (Ref:758820)

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Originally posted by GTRMagic
Interestingly enough one of Brock's biggest supporters thru the 1987 debacle was Mr R.Borrett, now head of HMS central programming.

Its funny how attitudes change over 16 years or so isnt it....

Right, and what exactly did Mr Borrett do for Brock in 1987? :confused:

I would arguably say that Mobil, Bridgestone, Brock's bank manager & Alan Gow were his biggest supporters in 1987...

MHDT · 21 Oct 2003, 22:29 (Ref:758823)

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Originally posted by Mattracer
Well sorry , try this on for short sighted, what does it matter if Brock was pushed, fell, stepped on his d1ck and bumped his head, whatever, he'd be retired by now from V8 Supercar anyway and at least the Holden Dealer Team as it now is is still winning in the face of considerable pressure from Ford.

Brock was a brilliant driver it's a shame politics follows him everywhere.

OR do politics follow one John Crennan everywhere? Think about it.

**GTRMagic** · 21 Oct 2003, 22:36 (Ref:758826)

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Originally posted by rossp1
GTR magic, I like your scenario have you been bugging our offices?

It makes logical sense, to give Holden a new market to cater to, to use Brock to help raise the profile of an already good series... to let the anal retentives in the HMS Supercar sphere of influence keep their own branding and therefore merchandise profits....

Just have to make it happen somehow

Zinger · 21 Oct 2003, 22:38 (Ref:758828)

Rember Holden wanted to run the monaro in V8 supercars but AVESCO woudn't allow it. It make good sense for HMS to have Team Brock Monaro in NC

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