V8Supercar & Social Media

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

Ms Rice's comments were a little stronger though, directed at the Springboks after a loss to Australia, along the lines of "Sucked in F....ts", which was slightly more direct and calling their sexual preference into question.

The only people who would take offence to such a thing would be people who aren't comfortable with their sexuality (in which case, it's probably true)

[Juarez Jed]

Using the word gay to infer something is lame is fairly innocent in my books, and would only offend the oversensitive.
However Jason Alexander (George in Seinfeld) was in a lot of hot water last week for referring to cricket as a gay game and was forced into the full public apology & humiliation bit. He only had to apologize to the homosexual community by the way, not to the world's cricketers !
Stephanie Rice on the other hand told the Springboks (and unintentionally their supporters who follow them on twitter) to "suck on that you faggots ".
Even though it was probably a drunken rant, it was insulting and aggressive in it's tone. And it is not questioning the Springboks sexuality, it is using a word to describe homosexuality as an insult that is the problem.
Chalk and cheese compared to Dave Reynolds innocent gee up.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by Juarez Jed

Using the word gay to infer something is lame is fairly innocent in my books, and would only offend the oversensitive.
However Jason Alexander (George in Seinfeld) was in a lot of hot water last week for referring to cricket as a gay game and was forced into
the full public apology & humiliation bit.
Stephanie Rice on the other hand told the Springboks (and unintetionally their supporters who follow them on twitter) to "suck on that you faggots ".
Even though it was probably a drunken rant, it was insulting and aggressive in it's tone. And it is not questioning the Springboks sexuality, it is using a word to describe homosexuality as an insult that is the problem.
Chalk and cheese compared to Dave Reynolds innocent gee up.

Yet people referring to their mates as 'skirts' isn't sexist?

[Juarez Jed]

It might well be be sexist, but it is not used in the aggressive insulting tone that Ms Rice's comments were.
Imagine if poor old Dave Reynolds was forced by his minders to come up with the long winded and disproportionate apology of "George Costanza" for his comments on Dean Fiore ! Have a read !http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...-1226382172194

[cptkablamo]

Basically hit the nail on the head there...

It's one of those things too that is in much more detailed focus due to the other debate that surrounds the subject with focus on marriage, teen suicides etc. So if aggressive drunken slurs on Twitter offends someone - then you fight your line or you accept the consequences. Some of those people are questioning their sexuality.

If women's rights was in the spotlight now, everything from calling people skirts to the K-Mart ads would be called into question.

Whether you like it or not, a tweet or a facebook post will do that. Instantaneous global communications is there, combined with 24 hour news, lobby groups, sponsors, fans, anti-fans. It's all there.

Doing social media well is not easy, and what you say on it does have wider implications.

[Juarez Jed]

Thats the thing isn't it, what was previously an off- colour comment amongst your friends at the pub can now be broadcast to the world in print for all to see.

[cptkablamo]

Yep - if you want to have those off-colour comments do it at the pub. Time and place.

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by cptkablamo

Basically hit the nail on the head there...

It's one of those things too that is in much more detailed focus due to the other debate that surrounds the subject with focus on marriage, teen suicides etc. So if aggressive drunken slurs on Twitter offends someone - then you fight your line or you accept the consequences. Some of those people are questioning their sexuality.

If women's rights was in the spotlight now, everything from calling people skirts to the K-Mart ads would be called into question.

Whether you like it or not, a tweet or a facebook post will do that. Instantaneous global communications is there, combined with 24 hour news, lobby groups, sponsors, fans, anti-fans. It's all there.

Doing social media well is not easy, and what you say on it does have wider implications.

I just don't buy it. If so too many people have heightened states of super awareness as well as a desire to interject themselves into every conversation. There are 7 Billion people out there. You can already assume that most people are not going to like what you like, agree with what you say, do what you do, etc.

The hysterical hyper awareness people have created "The Right To NOT Be Offended". As a society we have danced around these weaklings, fawning over them, having to give grand apologies and you know what I say? The heck with the them. I have no time for such whiny, spineless idiots.

If an obscure racing driver uses the word "gay" and it causes some ninny some distress out there, well, that person was already mental anyways and needs professional help. If people are questioning their sexuality that is their problem. Someone using the word "gay" has nothing to do with their mental issues.

If something someone says in a conversation that doesn't even involve you, offends you, then it's time to get a backbone.

[porsche91722]

Don't hold back now......
I happen to agree with you though. I've always thought that if you aren't happy with the comments made on Facebook, Twitter etc, go elsewhere. As in the real world, if you don't like what people have to say, ignore them. Switch off. What is said on these social networks, is generally forgotten about, soon afterwards anyway. It's only the tragic losers with nothing else better to do, who dredge it up for their self gratification. If you are that thinned skinned and get offended easily, you shouldn't be there in the first place.

[Chappelli]

What Mountainstar said.

Personally, I prefer a driver with a little character

In saying that, sponsors pay large amounts of money to portray a certain image. If that image gets railroaded (rightly or wrongly), then they're going to question the decision to spend that money... So then you have to weigh up, what's more important the money or the personality?

[Chappelli]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

My workplace has no say in anything i do on my private profiles (unless i'm accessing them from work computers)

He should be able to say whatever he likes on 'David Reynolds' twitter. Bottle'O Racings Twitter, is a different story.

At my work we crack out the beers on a Friday afternoon. DR should be able to nurse a cold one during Friday Free Practice.

If it were just a case of numbers of people that see the "Bottle O" sign on the side of the car, I dear say there's much cheaper options for getting the sort of audience reach they're currently getting.

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by porsche91722

Don't hold back now......
I happen to agree with you though. I've always thought that if you aren't happy with the comments made on Facebook, Twitter etc, go elsewhere. As in the real world, if you don't like what people have to say, ignore them. Switch off. What is said on these social networks, is generally forgotten about, soon afterwards anyway. It's only the tragic losers with nothing else better to do, who dredge it up for their self gratification. If you are that thinned skinned and get offended easily, you shouldn't be there in the first place.

I bet anyone could go on twitter and troll through it and spend their whole day offended, because there is so much twittering going on out there, you are bound to find statements you'll find that offend your sensibilities.

[cptkablamo]

Originally Posted by mountainstar

I bet anyone could go on twitter and troll through it and spend their whole day offended, because there is so much twittering going on out there, you are bound to find statements you'll find that offend your sensibilities.

Which is true. Except when you're a sports/movie star/politician and in the public eye. 999 999 out of a million won't care what you or I say but that number is significantly different when you're in the public eye. If you want to live in the public eye and be funded by commercial operation to play sport or whatever - you have different rules.

I've said over and over again here, in this conversation no less, that you need to be intelligent and controversial in your social media. I don't want to read boring stuff as much as you don't.

Mountainstar - A conversation on Twitter involves everyone who reads it. If you want to have a conversation where it is just you and someone else - pick up the phone or send an email. I agree 100% that people are too sensitive and lobby groups pick up on that too much but in what way does the conversation:
- I went for a run
-- Gay
Add to your professional profile as a racing driver?
You are on social media - you ARE having this conversation in public and it DOES impact on your professional reputation.

This is really mountain out of molehill stuff - but if you want to do it, do it properly.

[GTRMagic]

So... what to think of these...

[Axeman444]

errr who cares? If someone takes offence to some friendly banter between people that no each other, perhaps they shouldn't read it?

I've seen worse between Reynolds, Gaunt and others.

[alfacors]

Exactly. No one is forcing people to follow the drivers and read what they want to post up. If they don't like it, unfollow. Simple.

[St00ge]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

So... what to think of these...

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v684/GTRMagic/2012/ri67657.jpg[/IMG

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v684/GTRMagic/2012/ri87087a.jpg[/IMG

I think you need to get out more GTR!!

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by alfacors

Exactly. No one is forcing people to follow the drivers and read what they want to post up. If they don't like it, unfollow. Simple.

Actually, that isnt the point...

[mac]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

He should be able to say whatever he likes on 'David Reynolds' twitter. Bottle'O Racings Twitter, is a different story.

Well, David wouldn't have a problem with Bottle-O hypothetically withdrawing the reason he has a job - ie. their money - if they happen to disagree with him... It's their money, they should be able to do whatever they like with it...

However, that's assuming said driver actually gives a fat rat's about the reason he has a job - ie. sponsors...

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by mac

Well, David wouldn't have a problem with Bottle-O hypothetically withdrawing the reason he has a job - ie. their money - if they happen to disagree with him... It's their money, they should be able to do whatever they like with it...

However, that's assuming said driver actually gives a fat rat's about the reason he has a job - ie. sponsors...

Like i already mentioned, if its his personal twitter, they shouldn't have a say in anything.

[Chappelli]

and because it's a sport that people participate in for enjoyment, drivers shouldn't have to be paid to do it.

It's called the reality of professional sport.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Chappelli

and because it's a sport that people participate in for enjoyment, drivers shouldn't have to be paid to do it.

It's called the reality of professional sport.

wouldnt you say that about every sport?

[mac]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

Like i already mentioned, if its his personal twitter, they shouldn't have a say in anything.

Umm... I don't think you quite got my point.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by mac

Umm... I don't think you quite got my point.

If there is a clause in the contract that says David isn't allowed to use his own personal social media sites, then there can be an issue.

If he signed a contract that said 'you may not use you're own personal social media', then he's a fool.

Got your point loud and clear I already answered the point before hand though

[peckstar]

I think with social media, if your in the public eye and you have an open to the public id then you have to be wise in what you say and not say things that are offensive.

if you want to limit it to just close friends then you needs to have high security on it so that the public cant see.

Its the cost of public supprt