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22 Oct 2003, 22:21 (Ref:760056)
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You have the complete Historic Racing Andrew. And if you check the letters page in the last one you'll find one from me ....
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I've bought every Octane so far Rob. It's put out, as Tim said, by a group of ex-Classic Car staffers. They've had some good articles, including one on the DFV in the current issue, and have attracted writers like Simon Moore on Alfas. Stirling Moss and Rowan Atkinson both write diary columns.
High quality production, large format, but I have a feeling it's aimed a bit more at the classic car investor than the oily rag enthusiast. Lots of awestruck concours reports, but also event reports, so it's falling between several stools. They seem to have a lot of money backing them, but the crunch will come when they reach about 12 issues - that's when their investors will start looking for a return: Graham Gauld reckons you need at least a million quid seed capital to get over the first year! They have a website, so you can get a feel for it: http://www.octane-magazine.com/ |
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23 Oct 2003, 10:07 (Ref:760464)
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On Octane, I agree that it's target is the wealthy, rarely competing, enthusiast rather than the oily rag who would give up his family holiday, just to get up Prescott, half a second quicker in his Ginetta.
I got collared by the Octane press gang at this years FOS. After some haggling (free Alan Clark's 'Backfire' softback and awesome 'Rendevous' DVD)signed up for a subscription. Sorry but like Motor Sport it needs more current Historic meeting reports. It must be a great buzz for Robert Coucher to be swanning around in a 1/2M£ pre war Alfa 8C, but I'd prefer something that someday I might aspire to. Also people stories, both sucesses and failures. It's fast becoming the magazine you flick through and look at the pictures, not read in depth. |
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I just found 'Octane'amongst the dozens of other car mags in my local Forboys. Thanks,Vitesse I see now why it reminds me of Classic Car.No interest to me really as I have little interest in cars per see,only racing,drivers & circuits.
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23 Oct 2003, 12:49 (Ref:760674)
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Isn't this what in Gear magazine aims to do? I havent seen a copy yet but have just subscribed to it so I shall find out but at least they are looking at it from a racers perspective. Octane is a flick thru mag rather than a reader, but to be honest they all are with the exception of Jaguar World Monthly (but that is more a reflection of how sad I am!)
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The best classic mag IMO was Supercar Classics, published late 80's early 90's. Great editorial, great cars, great people. I hoped Octane might be aiming at that market - perhaps they are - but it's nowhere near as good yet.
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24 Oct 2003, 21:04 (Ref:762256)
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No Andrew, there were only six of each. I agree they were excellent, with some rare early colour photos of Carrera PanAm in Historic Racing for example. I believe Graham Gauld was involved in both of them, the latter with backing from an American. Not enough it seems. The major newsagents won't entertain mags on their shelves unless they are guaranteed whopping sales, I'm told. Strange there are so many gardening, photo, gaming, computer, music, etc mags (and I daren't tackle the top-shelf ones...)
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24 Oct 2003, 22:26 (Ref:762305)
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Not strange at all, really. The categories you mention are the ones which attract the most advertising: cover price revenue is almost incidental to their profits. And these days, the major newsagents won't entertain mags that won't pay them what are euphemistically called "over-riders".
Many specialist magazines are now only supplying through mail order or specialist trade outlets: they can't afford the discounts demanded by the big retailers and news wholesalers - not to mention the enormous cost of unsold copies, which usually come back in unsaleable condition. Unfortunately, you can produce a great magazine comparatively easily, but making it pay is a whole different ball game! Last edited by Vitesse; 24 Oct 2003 at 22:28. |
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31 Oct 2003, 03:03 (Ref:768728)
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I've just come across from the Aussie V8 forum. But before someone throws a VB at me I do subscribe to TNF as well, so please forgive me!
 I have the 6 HR and 6 HR&R, which I do believe made it on to Australian newstands, but not too many. I was working at a specialist motoring bookshop at the time (no longer around) so it was easy for me to pick these up. In my opinion, there hasn't been anything of a similar vain since. We get most of the English mags here (they're certainly more popular than American ones) and I have a complete run of C&SC. I buy the others sporadically including Motorsport which is A$13.95 here.  (C&SC hover around $10) and really too expensive.I was perusing one particular newsagent that carries obscurities like Auto Italia and Racecar Engineering, when I came across Octane, issue 3. I did buy it out of curiosity, and while the production is glossy and the articles have a different angle its all a bit deja vu. I can't be the only one here with thousands of car magazines (general, classic and motorsport) who feels, especially with the old stuff, that they've read everything. I buy C&SC out of habit (and enjoy it) but anything else has to "jump out at me" to make me buy it, including Octane. My bound set of Sports Car World and almost complete run of Supercar Classics I treasure though. Paul |
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Good to see you in here Paul! Do stick around!
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31 Oct 2003, 21:02 (Ref:769630)
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There were 6 HR, 6 HR&R and 5 Historic Motor Racing, AFAIK.
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There is another good magazine out there. Have any of you come across 'Ingear Motorsport'? It's got tonnes of national stuff in it, including Historic racing and rallying reports and articles. There is usually a few features of a retro type nature as well as current national and club action. I've subscribed to it because i've read most of the motorsport mags in the past and those that are currently available and this one is top! It's quite in depth and seems to be developing into a good all round read.
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The big hole in the market is an all out contemporary Sports Car Racing magazine
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A couple of pals have also said it can be difficult to find, i remember ordering one from my local newsagent and they got it for me. I guess it's becasue it's still in it's infancy, as i didn't know about it until i came across one at a hillclimb, but by god i haven't seen national reports this big and this enthusiastic for a while! I think because it's a bit different from the sort of feature based mags that are piling onto the shelves at the mo, that it genuinely has something for both enthusuiasts and competitors alike?
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Ive bought all the Octanes thus far, and spend too much money on car mags really, as I rarely get the chance to read all of them in detail, for me reading about priceless gems or 'best polish competitions' isnt very interesting, as its not 'reality' in my world, Im a driver/mechanic not a chauffeur/valeter although I'm usually fascinated by articles like 'classic engines' and all aspects of technical stuff.
I do read classic Ford from cover to cover, but Like Simon with his 'Jag mag' thats just a sign of how sad I am !
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I've been deliberately not reading my Motor Sports for the last few months..saving them for the cold dark raceless winter months...that first Sunday where I dont have a choice and HAVE to stay home is fast approaching
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How would you people feel about a TV channel dedicted only to all things historic racing? Be it cars, bikes, boats and planes??
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Well on this forum I think it would be a hit!
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Was that an idle question Gary, or is there something in the pipeline?
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it's going to take a LOT of setting up, but wait and see.............
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