FIAGT 2006 - Announcements, Rumours and Speculations. - Page 2

The Badger · 13 Oct 2005, 10:47 (Ref:1432567)

Well , to be fair to everybody , im happy to see the MC12 disappear . If they cant build a legal car ..... stay away . Otherwise we will have another BMW like incident , like a few years back when they won their class in the ALMS with an illegal car , and who would agree with that ?

panoz.lmp1 · 13 Oct 2005, 10:52 (Ref:1432573)

I think the MC12 case is more difficault than the BMW affair. Maserati builds the needed road cars -like Porsche the 917 thirty years ago. The regulations doesn´t define that the road car must build before the racecar.
So i think the car is not in the spirit of GT1 racing - but on the other hand i think the car fits the GT1 rules.

The Badger · 13 Oct 2005, 12:16 (Ref:1432636)

They said the same about the Porsche 911 GT1 when it first came out . That it was not in the spirit of the rules , but at least it had a steel production chassis .

ger80 · 13 Oct 2005, 17:23 (Ref:1432921)

the rules tell you that the car must be smaller then 2000mm

panoz.lmp1 · 13 Oct 2005, 17:45 (Ref:1432936)

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Originally Posted by ger80

the rules tell you that the car must be smaller then 2000mm

Read the FIA-GT GT1 regulations carefully and you will read that the MC12 is a legal race car.

I´m wondering why you blame the MC12 every time but not the Saleen S7R.
The Saleen also doesn´t fit to the GT1 regulations in the past or the Lister Storm GT ...

ger80 · 13 Oct 2005, 18:09 (Ref:1432952)

Yes, the rulebook had been changed for MC12 in FIA GT. The real problem was the supercar regulation, but to present a car witch is to big doesnt look very good. I realy blame the MC12 every time? I think i didnt one time on gt-eins.de

Are they new Saleens sold or leased by Zakspeed, Konrad,...
I think lease a racecar like F550 is the better possibilty because the car builder has to support the team or the team will give the car back. If the sell a car, some car builders dont care anymore like Saleen for a long time, F575,
Are DBR9 sold or leased?

panoz.lmp1 · 13 Oct 2005, 18:49 (Ref:1432983)

In 2004 the max width of a car was more than 2000mm. So in 2004 the MC12 was in a "grey zone" of the regulations but get their full homologation and for new cars the overall width of the car was reduced.
And the S7R and the Storm GT are also not build after the 2005 regulations - but no one has a problem with this.

I´ve my problems with FIAT and MERC too if they enter a championship but it is a fact that the car is legal. Not all the F550 are leased!

Dani Filth · 13 Oct 2005, 19:42 (Ref:1433014)

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Originally Posted by Dauer 962

The first series was sold out immediatley, so they announced a second series for production later this year, which would be now. This was announced in winter, but as I didn´t hear anything in these days, I think they cancelled this plan.

don't think so .. There is a MotorShow here in Bucharest these days and a MC12(racing version . don't know if it's a mule or not . it has nr33) is showed .. and it has a pricetag . 750.000 Euro .. it woulnt make sense to advertise for the MC12 Stradale .. if they're not sold anymore

Audi R8R · 14 Oct 2005, 09:44 (Ref:1433428)

Does anyone really believe that a company such as Ferrari/Maserati won't sell cars to customers when they're looking to stop sucking the life out of parent company Fiat???

Me neither...

panoz.lmp1 · 14 Oct 2005, 09:56 (Ref:1433437)

Do you realy believe that the MC12 brings money into the company? The current MC12 road car series is sold out and i´m sure (don´t have concret facts) that is would be very expensive to produce anthoer series if they don´t have sold the complete serie before they start producing them.

Interesting are the silenve in the past few weeks about the "new" MC12 in ACO specification for 2006... another sign for a change of the class for 2007?

Asa · 14 Oct 2005, 10:36 (Ref:1433464)

Autosport reported sometime ago that Maserati stopped working on an ACO spec MC12 already and is now concentrating on making a GT2 class Gran Sport.

It is a bit strange that both Ferrari and Maserati are competing against each other in the same market...

Audi R8R · 14 Oct 2005, 12:17 (Ref:1433546)

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Originally Posted by panoz.lmp1

Do you realy believe that the MC12 brings money into the company? The current MC12 road car series is sold out and i´m sure (don´t have concret facts) that is would be very expensive to produce anthoer series if they don´t have sold the complete serie before they start producing them.

Don't know, are you trying to tell me that a company is selling a product at a loss? Especially when the engine and transmission lease adds another 800,000 euros onto the bill....

Not rocket science, its car sales.

panoz.lmp1 · 14 Oct 2005, 12:25 (Ref:1433549)

The MC12 is like the Porsche 917 (who costs Porsche more than they have - but they have luck that the car was a success). A car only for prestige and racing. They earn their money with the "normal" road cars or the Trofeo cars ...

ger80 · 14 Oct 2005, 12:30 (Ref:1433555)

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And the S7R and the Storm GT are also not build after the 2005 regulations - but no one has a problem with this.

They are no front runners at the moment. And they are not so expensive.
But you´re right. The problem for me is that it is not possible for other companies to win with a car witch isnt designed for GT racing. Its a regulation problem for me

JAG · 14 Oct 2005, 17:01 (Ref:1433781)

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Originally Posted by Asa

Autosport reported sometime ago that Maserati stopped working on an ACO spec MC12 already and is now concentrating on making a GT2 class Gran Sport.

It is a bit strange that both Ferrari and Maserati are competing against each other in the same market...

.......which is why the Trofeo GT2 is apparently not going ahead, with Maserati looking at LMP2, if rumours are to be believed.

Foster · 14 Oct 2005, 17:18 (Ref:1433799)

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Originally Posted by JAG

.......which is why the Trofeo GT2 is apparently not going ahead, with Maserati looking at LMP2, if rumours are to be believed.

And I think i speak for everyone....we love this rumor.

panoz.lmp1 · 14 Oct 2005, 17:28 (Ref:1433810)

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Originally Posted by ger80

But you´re right. The problem for me is that it is not possible for other companies to win with a car witch isnt designed for GT racing. Its a regulation problem for me

What´s with the Corvette C6R and the Aston Martin DBR9? Both of them are first designed for the road and then for the track.

If we forbid all cars that are not build "only in the white zone" of the regulatiions we have only F550, F575 and the Lamborghini in the FIA-GT 2005 and the two Corvettes in the ALMS as season GT1 entries.

At which point is the border exceeded? When FIAT or Mercedes are involved or only when the car is a front runner or when the teams PR girls have short legs?

ger80 · 14 Oct 2005, 18:10 (Ref:1433841)

if you do it that way you will never got a solution. perhaps more technical regulations would work better. Well, you are right with DBR9. Dont know anything about development of C6, but they had C5R before and GM invested much money in there GT program. so perhaps the racecar designers had been involved in street car design ?

Bramzel · 14 Oct 2005, 18:41 (Ref:1433857)

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Originally Posted by Foster

And I think i speak for everyone....we love this rumor.

Not for me, I'd wish they'd stay focussed on their GT efforts.

Foster · 14 Oct 2005, 19:24 (Ref:1433899)

Ohh sorry.

Maybe it was just me that got so happy with the thought of Maserati in LMP. I always thought the compnay had more of a sports car feel, compared to Ferrari who had a more GT car feel.

19dodge · 14 Oct 2005, 19:40 (Ref:1433917)

Uwe Alzen shook down the brand new 2006 Zakspeed Saleen in California last week. The car is now packed up and in route to Dubai for the race next month. (source: gt-eins forum).. We can expect them to run next year with at least one car for sure (most likely FIA GT).

Bramzel · 14 Oct 2005, 20:25 (Ref:1433952)

Very cool, great news

BSchneiderFan · 15 Oct 2005, 00:03 (Ref:1434075)

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Originally Posted by panoz.lmp1

If we forbid all cars that are not build "only in the white zone"

Nice one.

Rich R · 15 Oct 2005, 00:13 (Ref:1434081)

just noticed in this weeks autosport classifieds that gpc have 2 575s and 2 360s for sale, so it looks like the team is having a clearout.

The Badger · 15 Oct 2005, 06:09 (Ref:1434172)

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Originally Posted by panoz.lmp1

or when the teams PR girls have short legs?

What the hell are you drinking Markus !!! MAke some for me at Le Mans ..... ok ?
Nice thought though .....

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