mclaren autosport brdc award - the shortlist - Page 2

sceptic · 27 Oct 2005, 22:16 (Ref:1445544)

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Originally Posted by bella

how could jarvis have done any better?

Do you remember Snetterton?

**bella** · 27 Oct 2005, 22:21 (Ref:1445549)

no, i was at the norisring i think...

yes, from what i've heard there were many moments of extreme blondeness, but it's no worse than anyone else in the series experienced. that's backed up by the fact that he won the championship. so in that respect, he couldn't have done any better.

did duncan tappy win the championship?

sceptic · 27 Oct 2005, 22:35 (Ref:1445552)

Did you go to the Norisring by choice

**bella** · 27 Oct 2005, 22:46 (Ref:1445559)

yep, and it was the best weekend i went to all year, hands down

edit : i tell a lie, apparently according to my secretary i was at the nurburgring on snett weekend. knew it was somewhere in germany

Mackmot · 27 Oct 2005, 22:51 (Ref:1445562)

I think Tappy deserves to win and probably will, hes made the best performance this year and will prove quickest in an F3 car.

Tandy also deserves recognition, I worked with him at Palmers where he was spending all his earnings to go racing in Mini's and saving for Palmer Audi for years. Now hes done it hes won it. It like days gone by when people had to work hard to be a champion and usually got involved in spannering a car first.

Gaz · 27 Oct 2005, 23:15 (Ref:1445571)

Duncan Tappy - The only driver that has stood out as a real potential British F1 driver whilst I've been travelling the UK circuits this year.

Jarvis, Foster and co maybe good but none of the others have the so called "x-factor" so Tappy for me by a country mile. But how often does it actually go to the most deserving?

Redracer77 · 28 Oct 2005, 10:06 (Ref:1445877)

Out of interest why did Joey get nominated and came 2nd but the winner Jay Howard didn't?

Kicking-back · 28 Oct 2005, 10:24 (Ref:1445892)

Too old?

Redracer77 · 28 Oct 2005, 10:27 (Ref:1445899)

That was my guess but I am not sure?

sceptic · 28 Oct 2005, 10:40 (Ref:1445911)

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Originally Posted by Redracer77

Out of interest why did Joey get nominated and came 2nd but the winner Jay Howard didn't?

You could ask the same about Sam Bird.
Or Duncan Tappy.

jmj7 · 28 Oct 2005, 11:33 (Ref:1445969)

You make it sound like tappy was unbeatable !
He didnt win the championship !

Ian Sowman · 28 Oct 2005, 11:41 (Ref:1445978)

But he has won 12 straight races. Championship tables don't necessarily tell you everything...

Gaz · 28 Oct 2005, 12:30 (Ref:1446012)

Very true Ian, this was Duncan's first real season of car racing and once he got to grips with Formula Ford he absolutely blew away two very experienced drivers in Donnelly and D'Agostino. He didn't just beat them, generally he left them for dead and for your first season that was damn impressive.

Suppose the only doubts over his ability are that realistically there was only ever 3 drivers in contention for the national title and four in contention for the Festival, realistically so he didn't have the hordes of talent to beat like drivers in the other classes had. But as I say for me, he was the only British driver racing in the UK this year that really stood out as something special....the rest merely came across as good but not that good.

Mackmot · 28 Oct 2005, 12:47 (Ref:1446025)

Remember that in the last rounds Donnelly only had to finish to get at least points for 4th place because guest drivers dont take away points from championship entries.

**bella** · 28 Oct 2005, 16:10 (Ref:1446145)

ok, so who wants to be really sad and work out the championship if guest drivers had scored points... would it have made a difference?

Mackmot · 28 Oct 2005, 16:36 (Ref:1446161)

Yeah

ukkartace · 28 Oct 2005, 16:45 (Ref:1446171)

i think its fair to say tappy did a good job this year but lets just remember car racing is all about time in the seat and in my opinion its not like he was mr.inexperienced, but you cant take away the fact that he did do well.
but realistically i can only see jakes and jarvis being in it. as its all politics and in my opinion jakes has been trained by the best andrew kirkaldy, and has done well this year and jarvis has alot of experience to his advantage.

watch&learn · 2 Nov 2005, 21:36 (Ref:1450859)

Joey Foster was over looked in the past 2 years, he always seemed to have a mighty run at the end of the season which turned out to be too late for the nominations. He's worthy of nomination for winning the FFF, then the Kent Festival the following year plus winning the Walter Hayes the past two years, non of which were easy tasks... good luck Joey, it's been a long time coming!

Emma · 17 Nov 2005, 18:28 (Ref:1463360)

I still stick with my opinion of before: Olli Jarvis all the way!

Dr Venom · 17 Nov 2005, 22:07 (Ref:1463541)

Jakes for me.

hotwheels · 17 Nov 2005, 22:44 (Ref:1463576)

are karting drivers eligible? I would point oli oakes... the only real british world champion!

No 4 · 18 Nov 2005, 07:25 (Ref:1463841)

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Originally Posted by bella

we could do, but surely the discussion's more important (when i get a moment's boredom, yes, i'll sort that out).

so who *would* you nominate? surely dean smith wouldn't win the award, he seemed to be a by default winner of the fbmw title. and matt howson, i'd agree that he might have been a more... worthy choice. but surely the fact that sam bird has the proper managerial backing and financial backing in place means he's less likely to "waste" the award money and test drive, and in 2 years he'll be graduating from f3. which looks better than someone like howson who might in 2 years still be struggling for a budget?

So this is not about talent, rather it's who has the most money.

Surely the best driver on merit should win and if that happens to be someone who is currently underfunded, the prixe money may just be the boost they need to attract other sponsors

sceptic · 18 Nov 2005, 10:52 (Ref:1463961)

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Originally Posted by No 4

Surely the best driver on merit should win and if that happens to be someone who is currently underfunded, the prixe money may just be the boost they need to attract other sponsors

Correct.
Except it didn't work that way for Alex Lloyd, who won the award then went six months without racing because he couldn't raise the rest of the money to do a full season in anything.

However I do agree that it should be about talent, regardless of money.
That is why this year's winner should be Joey Foster.

No 4 · 18 Nov 2005, 11:58 (Ref:1464024)

Agreed + a really nice guy to boot. Confident about his alilities, but modest with it. Unlike some I could think of!!

**bella** · 18 Nov 2005, 12:40 (Ref:1464057)

but does history show that a driver can use the award to attract new sponsors?

View Poll Results: so who's going to win then?
sam bird	0	0%
joey foster	9	29.03%
james jakes	4	12.90%
oliver jarvis	8	25.81%
joe tandy	4	12.90%
duncan tappy	6	19.35%
Voters: 31. You may not vote on this poll

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