Brabham BT28-29-30-35-36 - Page 21

allenbrown · 29 Aug 2005, 10:02 (Ref:1393582)

Hi Chris - didn't see your post before I wrote mine.

Both Brenner and Wright race at Seattle and Monterrey at the start of 1971. Brenner stopped after Mexico because he ran out of money but didn't sell the BT29 until 1972 - after appearing in the Bogota race.

Chris - you haven't forgotten the 'back door' I gave you into the results section have you? It has a driver search.

Bryan Miller · 29 Aug 2005, 10:09 (Ref:1393590)

Never give up.

And Warne does not know the meaning of patience.
At least you know you are going to get your money's worth when we are around.

Me.

Bryan Miller · 29 Aug 2005, 10:33 (Ref:1393605)

Now to more mundane items.

This is all from the copies I have in front of me directly from the copies of the SCCA logs and a letter dated July 20 1993 from Larry Wright on University of California , Riverside letterhead.

Mr. Wright advises , purchased from Charlie Hayes , salesman was Mike Hiss , December of 1970 purchase.
Shook car down at Willow Springs 6 weeks later.
2.13.71 SCCA Nat. Riverside , blew eng on final lap while contesting 2nd place.
5.13.71 , Pro race Seattle , ran as high as 5th on incredibly hard tyres, finished 8th after a spin.
6.2071, Pro race Monterry Mexico , crashed on lap 20 while running midfield.
4.23.72 , SCCA Nat. Willow Springs , no record of competetion.
5.6.72 , SCCA pro , Laguna Seca, finished 18th.
5.27.72 , SCCA National + Regional Riverside , no records.
6.18.72 , IMSA Pro ,Las Vegas , finished 7th.
6.25.72, SCCA National , Laguna Seca , finished3rd.
7.30.72, IMSA Pro , Las Vegas , 3rd.
8.27.72 , SCCA Nat. Laguna Seca , 1st.
9.17.72 , SCCA Nat. Willow Springs 5th.
9.24.72 , SCCA Pro. Riverside , 11th.
2.9.73 , SCCA Nat. Riverside , scratched , no rain tyres.
4.1.73 SCCA Nat, Riverside , no records.
6.10.73 Outlaw Pro Race , Orange County Co. 2nd , lap record.
6.24.73 SCCA Nat. as reported , crashed terminally.

Mr. Wright advises in 2 1/2 years , entered in 16 races , competed in 15 of them blew one motor and crashed twice.

Bryan.

allenbrown · 29 Aug 2005, 10:46 (Ref:1393611)

Interesting - crashed at Monterrey and then didn't reappear until after Brenner sells his BT29. Fits my "not very plausible" theory.

(I'm trying to resist mentioning Trent Bridge!)

Wayne Mitchell · 10 Sep 2005, 18:23 (Ref:1403856)

Just thought I would let those interested in BT28 cars know I have sold the above car to a Dave Bankes of Los Angeles area. It is a basket case complete with MAE and Mk series gearbox. I have owned it and never run it for approx 16 years. I believe it has run only a couple of schools since importation to US after Jupps ownership. It may have had a BMC engine at one time according to motor mounts.This allows me to proceed with the restoration of BT2 and BT9 I still have. Keep up good work. Wayne Mitchell San Diego Area, Calif.

TM Lee · 23 Oct 2005, 21:35 (Ref:1441577)

With all the talk I have read about with in this thread which car was the true Peter Westbury BT30, has there been any resolution?
I have recently purchased Mike Carmody's BT-30/3, ex Dick James, Ray Delaney, Chris Mann, John Wigfield?, ex Peter Westbury.
The car has undergone a complete restoration including an authentic Felday livery, and is a very fast fun car to drive.
Is there any question this was not Peter Westbury's 69,70 F-2 car?

Andrew Fellowes · 23 Oct 2005, 21:57 (Ref:1441590)

No I dont think there is any issue with 30-3. Lovely to hear thats its back in original livery. Chris Mann didn't drive it very hard, somewhere I have a photo & I recall it was a darkish blue and was handicapped with ancient hard tyres.

No, more is the problem with 30-2, Austosport lists Westbury in it twice but I guess that this is a typo. However Peter Westbury has promised to look through his records (which are extensive) as he cant remember having BT30-23 either. Aghhh!

Can our resident experts add anything?

TM Lee · 23 Oct 2005, 22:14 (Ref:1441601)

Thanks Andrew, the car was extensively driven this past summer through out the U.S., that is when the FVA's were running properly.

Andrew Fellowes · 23 Oct 2005, 23:14 (Ref:1441636)

TM I've sent a pm but I'll see if I can dig out that photo.

Andrew Fellowes · 24 Oct 2005, 03:26 (Ref:1441735)

Monza, June 26th 1973

There were 4 BT36's entered (F2R). Is this possible?

Bob Marsland/Bob Marsland with Hart power was a NC
Alfred Amweg CH/Alfred Amweg -DNA (BT36-11?)
Roland Binder D/Roland Binder (BT36-4)DNA
Dave Morgan GB/Edward Reeves DNA

Who was Bob Marsland? Was this really a BT36 & if so which one, was Edward Reeves' car a BT36?

David McKinney · 24 Oct 2005, 05:07 (Ref:1441761)

The earlier Reeves/Morgan car was #8 (which doesn't mean this was the same car)

Andrew Fellowes · 24 Oct 2005, 05:22 (Ref:1441764)

Yes indeed, -I was expecting Bryan to have his two penny worth!!

By the by David, Bryan will be out in the A1GP support race at Eastern Creek, the car looks stunning in full Dave Morgan spec. -except it might have 14's & not 12's on the rears-!!! It will be a touch warmer than Mallory was in March 1972.

Ted Walker · 24 Oct 2005, 07:25 (Ref:1441813)

Bob Marsland was a hill climber and ran a Reliant Sabre ex works rally car before owning the Brabham.Not sure about the Monza thing though !!!!

Dan Rear · 24 Oct 2005, 09:23 (Ref:1441899)

Bob M also did some 2-litre G6 racing, with a Chevron B26 (??). Backed by a company called 'Hayseech Grey Iron Castings' at one point. They don't make em like that anymore !

Andrew Fellowes · 24 Oct 2005, 21:03 (Ref:1442549)

Ted/Dan thank you for the Bob info,

I guess I thought I had a full list of BT36 owners for 1973, except perhaps for BT36-9 which I have as John Kendall sold to Jose Araujo with a ? (Jose was a very wealthy Argentinean, F Atlantic & some rally driving from the little I can find)

Any ideas which chassis number Bob's car could have been?

Jeremy Jackson · 24 Oct 2005, 22:40 (Ref:1442622)

Andrew,

Marsland is also quoted in F2R 3 races earlier at Nivelles as racing a BT35, so the BT36 may not necessarily be so (or vice versa or course)

Bryan Miller · 25 Oct 2005, 00:24 (Ref:1442668)

Andrew,

I can only think that the entry for Dave Morgan is either a typo. or he was to drive someone else's car , as up to that point Ed Reeves/ Dave Morgan had been running their Chevron B25-73-04 , which he carried over into the U.K. Atlantic series in 1974 as a team mate to Alan Jones in my March , in the Custom Made/ Harry Stiller Team.

It certainly can't be BT35-8 as that left the U.K. in April 1972 to come over here.

Bryan.

Andrew Fellowes · 25 Oct 2005, 01:14 (Ref:1442685)

Thanks Bryan, I just couldn't remember when your car arrived in Australia, but I thought it was here by '73.
So Amweg most likely in 36-11, Dave Morgan quite simply unlikely, Binder in the ex Stommelen car, that just leaves Marsland, what was he in I wonder?

Jeremy Jackson · 25 Oct 2005, 07:40 (Ref:1442800)

Andrew,

As I mentioned above, Marsland's quoted in a BT35 at Nivelles, this may be more likley as I think he drove a BT35 in the 1972 Phoenix Park race, but I haven't got a report to hand to comfirm..

Andrew Fellowes · 25 Oct 2005, 21:02 (Ref:1443370)

Jeremy I am sure you are right, sorry I didn't mean to ignore your suggestion!! -with such a plethora of ancient BT36’s it all highly unlikely, Autosport lists the reason that Marsland was at Monza was because he was on his way to a hill climb in with his “BT36”

What was the attraction of Monza? Was there good start money that attracted so many?

One of our other contributors here with good Swiss contacts has offered to find out about Amweg, or is this a name that means anything to anyone?

Jeremy Jackson · 25 Oct 2005, 22:14 (Ref:1443428)

Andrew,

Amweg did 3 F2 races in 1973 in the ex-Moser BT38-21, according to F1R, so is this BT36 at Monza another typo / error?

Andrew Fellowes · 25 Oct 2005, 22:33 (Ref:1443438)

Well thats just what has been suggested to me by the owner of Moser's BT36!! -many thanks James it looks as though you and Jeremy must be right! It's the logical answer.

Andrew Fellowes · 26 Oct 2005, 02:48 (Ref:1443536)

To recap,

Marsland is in a BT35
Amweg is in a BT38
Binder is flogging around in 36-4 and
Dave Morgan and Ed Reeves are in Cloud Cuckoo Land

Excellent.

New personal record as I don’t think I’ve set so many hares or wild geese running around 10 tenths in one hit before.

Many thanks to everyone for helping straighten this one out.

Bryan Miller · 17 Nov 2005, 22:08 (Ref:1463543)

And another surfaces,

I have been contacted by Bob Slusher from Oregon in the U.S.A. who advises BT35-18 used by Scott Mackenzie in the Canadian Atlantic/Players series in 1974 and crashed at Edmonton June 1974 , thence used as a spares car for teams other BT35 , then dismantelled and stored untill sold to Doug DeFresne , Portland Oregon 1979 , thence purchased by Bob Slusher , Oregon Sept. 2005.

Bryan, Why do I like finding out about BT35s more than BT36s Miller.

Andrew Fellowes · 17 Nov 2005, 22:25 (Ref:1463555)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Miller

Bryan, Why do I like finding out about BT35s more than BT36s Miller.

Because some BT35’s are mechanically challenged?