LM24 Nissan return to Le Mans (G56) - Page 21

porsche91722 · 21 Jun 2013, 10:31 (Ref:3266000)

Can they turn up with something to actually race competitively against existing descent opposition? I like the garage 56 concept, but make it something that is a realistic competitor instead of these science experiments/PR exercises. I tuned in to the YouTube Nismo channel hoping for something worthwhile but then was extremely deflated with the result. It's groundhog day.

deggis · 21 Jun 2013, 10:34 (Ref:3266001)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

It has been suggested that Nissan would swap the complete battery pack.

So the future of green endurance racing is to have a container of batteries for every car

Welcome to greenwashing.

Acid09 · 21 Jun 2013, 10:38 (Ref:3266002)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Blah blah, anti-nissan rant is all I see from your posts. They spoke of returning to lmp1 to win LeMans overall. You can't win without entering. Manufacturers don't just say they will return to win overall for "buzzword bullcrap".

Yes, they do.

Porsche said they'll return in 2014, Toyota announced their 2012 return etc.

It is that simple...none of these PR shenanigans are actually needed... Nissan is trying to build a reputation based on what they might do in the future..or not. It's ridiculous and the media should expose it for what it is imo.

gustavobamba · 21 Jun 2013, 10:53 (Ref:3266009)

Sorry but this guy publish this design a few months back - http://www.aliasguy.com/DW-LM-2014/index.html -

Is he Ben Bowlby or the actual Deltawing Coupe creator????????

Well, they made this presentation for the fans and with fans ... bla bla bla, but the feeling i have is that the fans are very disapointed.

Nissan are plaiyng a dangerus game IMO. The fans won´t gave them much more credits in future presentation´s.

barnettracing · 21 Jun 2013, 10:57 (Ref:3266011)

A lot of fans on here seem to feel like manufacturers owe them an entry. Nissan can do what they want. I'd rather see them enter something than enter nothing. I find it exciting that this will be a full electric drivetrain. I'd imagine they'll replace the batteries during the race (though it certainly isn't very green), it's no different to refueling. If they could create some alternative form of energy recovering/refueling for the battery packs it would be very interesting for the road car market.

It's been mooted for a while that this would be about the powertrain, so why shouldn't they use an existing chassis? Heck, some of the posters on here suggested that they may use an Oreca, or a Lola, or any other third-party chassis. How is that any different to using the Delta Wing? If anything, this at least suggests they have invested a little bit more into the concept than the purely marketing-driven effort of last year.

Nissan will go into LMP1 when they feel they'll be competitive using the technology they want, on a budget they can spend. No amount of *****ing and moaning is going to change that.

Simmi · 21 Jun 2013, 11:11 (Ref:3266014)

Saw the launch from the front row. A bit underwhelming. Not seen any of the PR yet but need to apologise to user deltawing who was right about the form of the car.

deltawing · 21 Jun 2013, 11:26 (Ref:3266017)

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Saw the launch from the front row. A bit underwhelming. Not seen any of the PR yet but need to apologise to user deltawing who was right about the form of the car.

You are the last person on this forum who needs to apologize.... We are all very passionate and sometimes passion clouds our judgement. Everyone can be wrong and we all know very little anyway (in the big scale of things). Thumbs up to you for being a very polite person!

**joeb** · 21 Jun 2013, 11:32 (Ref:3266018)

Back in February there were articles here and here about Nissan departing from the Deltawing project. I seem to also remember talk about the coupes that were in build were for Nissan at that time. I can't find that story, but it appears to have been true

Also, don't forget this was already seen:
http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...nce-16620.html

Fogelhund · 21 Jun 2013, 11:47 (Ref:3266023)

Another Delta Wing. Ok... Can`t wake up from this bad dream. Next thing you know they`ll be DP`s there too.

TRuss · 21 Jun 2013, 12:08 (Ref:3266030)

First off Delta wing was right. Secondly I'm not too surprised. Thirdly I don't like it. Lastly I will pull for it because I believe that this time around that it is in the true spirit of G56 and truly hope that with it's success that a full lmp1 program will result.

urdragon · 21 Jun 2013, 12:44 (Ref:3266051)

At least i don't see nissan failing miserably like this year GreentarriedGT, better factory involvements if U are not sure of people's implication.

Pandamasque · 21 Jun 2013, 13:23 (Ref:3266064)

WHAAAT? Even I, although very tired of their BS, did't expect them to be THIS cynical. What are they going to prove using a new type of drivetrain in a freak chassis?! That defeats the whole point.

Also I expect they were allowed to swap batteries. Can't see it going 24h on one pack.

Not only am I disappointed, I'd say angry is the better word.

Acid09 · 21 Jun 2013, 13:46 (Ref:3266072)

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Originally Posted by Pandamasque

Not only am I disappointed, I'd say angry is the better word.

Yup, Nissan's efforts really have gone the wrong way on me. I used to like them but I'm slowly developing quite the disdain for their brand and PR nonsense.

Great job..

aneesh99 · 21 Jun 2013, 14:30 (Ref:3266085)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

Yup, Nissan's efforts really have gone the wrong way on me. I used to like them but I'm slowly developing quite the disdain for their brand and PR nonsense.

Great job..

Well, that's their strategy, Darren made no bones about it, minimal investment for maximum return. P2 and G56 were targets no suprise

Breitling24 · 21 Jun 2013, 15:24 (Ref:3266113)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Blah blah, anti-nissan rant is all I see from your posts. They spoke of returning to lmp1 to win LeMans overall. You can't win without entering. Manufacturers don't just say they will return to win overall for "buzzword bullcrap".

...and yet back around 13-16 June, claiming "logic," you were posting Nissan was done with the DW, Nissan would have nothing to do with it, Nissan has abondoned all electric, blahblahblah...

I'm not waiting for you to predict the weather.

Breitling24 · 21 Jun 2013, 15:29 (Ref:3266118)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Another Delta Wing. Ok... Can`t wake up from this bad dream. Next thing you know they`ll be DP`s there too.

...and Jim France waving the start flag.

Oh, crap!!!

optica · 21 Jun 2013, 15:42 (Ref:3266122)

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Originally Posted by Pandamasque

WHAAAT? Even I, although very tired of their BS, did't expect them to be THIS cynical. What are they going to prove using a new type of drivetrain in a freak chassis?! That defeats the whole point.

Also I expect they were allowed to swap batteries. Can't see it going 24h on one pack.

Not only am I disappointed, I'd say angry is the better word.

What is cynical about what they are doing, what point is being defeated?
When it was known that Ben Bowlby was designing the car it was obvious that it would be a fresh iteration of the Deltawing. Why would Bowlby or Nissan abandon a concept that they were able to prove worked very well especially at Petit Le Mans last year (much to the annoyance of all the die-hard Deltaphobes no doubt). It is obvious there is still much potential left in the design so why abandon it to build something else when Garage 56 allows a free-hand to developing new ideas?

lms · 21 Jun 2013, 15:58 (Ref:3266127)

****ing idiot attention whore morons. they make fools out of the aco and make g56 a joke. and there is talk about these *******s wanting to return to lmp1? what the ****...

gwyllion · 21 Jun 2013, 16:08 (Ref:3266135)

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Originally Posted by optica

When it was known that Ben Bowlby was designing the car it was obvious that it would be a fresh iteration of the Deltawing.

So Bowlby is an engineer that can only design Deltawing shape cars?

We were all hoping that he would design a (legal) 2014 LMP1 chassis with an (illegal) all-electric drive train.

1969MGCGTdriver · 21 Jun 2013, 16:28 (Ref:3266143)

Say what you want, but these kinds of things are letting the non-motorsport world know about the sport we love. And that, my friends, IS a good thing.

Here's a link from Engadget this morning:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/21/n...paign=Engadget

Here's another from Wired:
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/06/nissan-zeod-rc/

optica · 21 Jun 2013, 16:33 (Ref:3266145)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

So Bowlby is an engineer that can only design Deltawing shape cars?

We were all hoping that he would design a (legal) 2014 LMP1 chassis with an (illegal) all-electric drive train.

They must have other engineers capable of designing what you were hoping for so why employ Bowlby if this wasn't what they intended.
"We were all" !!!!....who are you speaking for?
There are actually people reading this forum who quite like to see radical concepts being developed to their full potential and appreciate the opportunity Garage 56 offers.

Acid09 · 21 Jun 2013, 16:37 (Ref:3266148)

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Originally Posted by 1969MGCGTdriver

Say what you want, but these kinds of things are letting the non-motorsport world know about the sport we love. And that, my friends, IS a good thing.

Here's a link from Engadget this morning:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/21/n...paign=Engadget

Here's another from Wired:
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/06/nissan-zeod-rc/

The problem is that Nissan does not deserve this kind of recognition imo, not until they decide to enter the event properly..with all the risks involved.

Last year the Deltawing got as much attention as Audi & Toyota in the mainstream media which is absurd.

They have found a very clever way to sneak PR off the event that they don't deserve and it's frustrating me. You want LMP1-type exposure? Then build a LMP1 and go racing...with all the risks that come with it.

The ACO should close the G56 loophole imo. If you want to be on the grid at Le Mans, build a car that meets the rules - It's that simple.

I don't buy the "This is needed to attract new manufacturers" argument either. I didn't see Audi, Toyota, Porsche or Peugeot field an illegal car before they committed to LMP1...they just did. It's just Nissan that is supposedly unable to and it is starting to get really tiring.

TheNewBob · 21 Jun 2013, 16:40 (Ref:3266150)

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Originally Posted by 1969MGCGTdriver

Say what you want, but these kinds of things are letting the non-motorsport world know about the sport we love. And that, my friends, IS a good thing.

Here's a link from Engadget this morning:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/21/n...paign=Engadget

Here's another from Wired:
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/06/nissan-zeod-rc/

Very amused by some of the comments made at the end of the first article there. Its like the whole Delta Wing thing never happened...

dxk1 · 21 Jun 2013, 16:42 (Ref:3266151)

While I am not happy that this was the big "reveal" for G56 by Nissan for 2014, I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I believe that the only thing that will make this defendable for Nissan is if this DW Coupe can run with the LMP1 Audis, Toyotas and Porsches next year for at least a few hours and make it look like this technology is competitive. Next year, this DW technology will have been in competitive racing for 3 years and we should be getting a car that can compete with the big boys. If it is only running with the LMP2s, then why bother. I'm willing to curb my criticism until next year to see what actually turns up at the track.

DK

Simmi · 21 Jun 2013, 16:49 (Ref:3266153)

It follows on the theme of pretty much every Nissan announcement in the last few years. My reaction goes from anger, to disappointment, to acceptance and finally I end up supporting it.

Struggling to see how I'll make it to the final step this time but I'm sure I will come next year. Hopefully no one will peel the headlight stickers off it in the village tonight.

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