USCC (leave your axe outside) - Page 222

**skycafe** · 31 Jan 2014, 03:34 (Ref:3362373)

may well have been Nashville Network, who broadcast a lot of IMSA races too.

TF110 · 31 Jan 2014, 03:47 (Ref:3362377)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

Even if TUSC wanted a P1 class, it would need to deal with all the car owners who wouldn‘t want to pay the attendant costs, or whose sponsorship packages are already stretched too thin (look at how many teams have complained that increased cost of TUSC’s longer series and mods have hurt them.)

All the current DP/P2 owners would end up being second-class which hurts sponsorship, or would need to spend the money for a P1—and then if say, Chevrolet decided to build a P1 just for TUSC, it would likely wipe up all the privateers even if the car was too simple to run competitively in WEC.

As for getting WEC P1 teams over here … I don’t see RoI for Audi, Porsche, or Toyota—particularly since the first two can count on GT wins for publicity. How many Toyotas will the factory sell if it wins a TUSC race? Considering how few people even get FS2?

As you say, we have no idea if the current WEC format will even keep the three manufacturers involved in it now. Toyota seems to be always on the edge of cutting off funding, and if only Porsche and Audi were left, would either really push hard? Or would the budgets shrink until the cars cost about the same and were just fast enough to stay ahead of the privateer (s)? Honda and Nissan talk a lot, but talking isn’t racing.

And with current P1 costs … do any of these teams have any reason to bother with TUSC?

Sadly, cost-capped cars make a lot more sense in an environment where sports car racing hasn’t been a big deal in thirty years or so, if ever. (I have always been a sports car fan, so I have no idea if “Can-Am” or Trans-Am” or “Camel GT” meant anything to most people back in the day.)

Lol … while typing this I have been watching sprint cars and now Legends racers on TV. Can’t watch sports cars, though.

Toyota is not on the verge of cutting anything. At their motorsport activity event, the TS040 news was the highlight of the show. Akio Toyoda himself was there announcing it and the commitment to racing. Honda has not talked about lmp1, just some guys under hpd looking for buyers of the chassis'. Nissan is already discussed. Ferrari showing interest. Rebellion, Oak, Lotus or Kodewa, Perrin etc. The thing holding teams back is funding. I doubt interest in tusc would even be there by many lmp1 teams. Its hardly there for lmp2. Maybe they saw the lack of leadership in creating equality just like they saw with the diesels.

Matt · 31 Jan 2014, 04:48 (Ref:3362393)

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Originally Posted by skycafe

may well have been Nashville Network, who broadcast a lot of IMSA races too.

Yep, American Sports Cavalcade.

Home to, imo the two greatest commentators the US ever saw in Steve Evans and Brock Yates

HORNDAWG · 31 Jan 2014, 05:37 (Ref:3362400)

Quote:

Originally Posted by skycafe

may well have been Nashville Network, who broadcast a lot of IMSA races too.

Diamond P Productions, brings back some memories there.....

L.P.

Mal · 31 Jan 2014, 08:26 (Ref:3362435)

P1 needs to be split in the same way as GTLM and GTAM are - with P1 Manufacturere and P1 Privateers. WEC seems to be heading this way and it is the right thing to do. Providing there are at least 2 manufacturers the privateers shouldn't compete with them as they can't compete with the R & D development.

It would be great if there was enough interest in P1 for it to be allowed into TUSCC and I am sure it would be considered from 2016 onwards if enough teams wanted to enter

jeast · 31 Jan 2014, 14:14 (Ref:3362555)

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Originally Posted by Mal

P1 needs to be split in the same way as GTLM and GTAM are - with P1 Manufacturere and P1 Privateers. WEC seems to be heading this way and it is the right thing to do. Providing there are at least 2 manufacturers the privateers shouldn't compete with them as they can't compete with the R & D development.

It would be great if there was enough interest in P1 for it to be allowed into TUSCC and I am sure it would be considered from 2016 onwards if enough teams wanted to enter

Well technically before Prickett,Oak and Mazda bailed out P2 when the original plans were made there was one p2 team but two P1 teams.

wdave0 · 31 Jan 2014, 16:03 (Ref:3362584)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mal

P1 needs to be split in the same way as GTLM and GTAM are - with P1 Manufacturere and P1 Privateers. WEC seems to be heading this way and it is the right thing to do. Providing there are at least 2 manufacturers the privateers shouldn't compete with them as they can't compete with the R & D development.

It would be great if there was enough interest in P1 for it to be allowed into TUSCC and I am sure it would be considered from 2016 onwards if enough teams wanted to enter

The DP teams will not be disenfranchised - the new class will be something affordable - like P2, I could envision NASCAR even continuing with a non FIA class rather than increase costs - they don't believe in the Le Mans connection other than marketing.

MagVanisher · 31 Jan 2014, 16:33 (Ref:3362588)

Well, there's the DeltaWing. They can start from there.

BullMan · 31 Jan 2014, 16:47 (Ref:3362593)

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdave0

The DP teams will not be disenfranchised - the new class will be something affordable - like P2, I could envision NASCAR even continuing with a non FIA class rather than increase costs - they don't believe in the Le Mans connection other than marketing.

When that happens it's over.

jeast · 31 Jan 2014, 17:04 (Ref:3362600)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

When that happens it's over.

Pretty much what is happening now.

Matt · 31 Jan 2014, 17:33 (Ref:3362607)

The top class in 2017 will be shared with whatever P2 becomes in the ACO's eyes.

Scooter185 · 31 Jan 2014, 17:50 (Ref:3362616)

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Originally Posted by Dodge_Swinger

http://m.autoblog.com/2014/01/28/201...na-race-recap/

we had the Roar Before and then the Uproar Posterior

BullMan · 31 Jan 2014, 18:29 (Ref:3362628)

New article about the 2017 prototype regs:

http://sportscar365.com/wec/aco-imsa...rototype-regs/

This jumped off the page:

Quote:

While he confirmed tube-framed cars such as DPs will not be part of the new formula, Elkins admitted they’re intrigued by DTM’s safety cells, which features a carbon fiber tub with a roll cage.

nkoske · 31 Jan 2014, 18:32 (Ref:3362630)

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Originally Posted by EricS

Dagys has an article about the Aston whining:

http://sportscar365.com/imsa/tusc/as...after-daytona/

The more thing change the more they stay the same. 2006 all over again minus two factory cars and all pro line-ups.

Hey AMR if you're serious about winning bring an All Pro team over until then stop whining you little....

TF110 · 31 Jan 2014, 19:01 (Ref:3362641)

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Originally Posted by nkoske

The more thing change the more they stay the same. 2006 all over again minus two factory cars and all pro line-ups.

Hey AMR if you're serious about winning bring an All Pro team over until then stop whining you little....

You should look at some facts. 90liter tank vs 110liter for porsche. Even bigger for Viper. A .1mm difference in restrictor size. Same 1225kg weight. How would you feel after the race when your average top speed was 177mph vs 181mph for the others? Then you get 20liters less fuel and can only do less laps per stint? Aston has a budget, but theyre not as big as Vette or Porsche. Their lineup was great btw. At least they showed up and want to race. Its called ballance of performance for a reason, its suppose to be ballanced

wdave0 · 31 Jan 2014, 19:13 (Ref:3362651)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

When that happens it's over.

Think back - not one Grand-Am car was usable elsewhere except club and Historic.

David Land · 31 Jan 2014, 19:46 (Ref:3362665)

So is anyone else interested in what the Coyote DP bodywork is going to look like? Marshall Pruett hinted awhile back it will be more LMP than DP.

Wouldn't it be something if that car takes Sebring?

**joeb** · 31 Jan 2014, 20:01 (Ref:3362670)

Quote:

Originally Posted by nkoske

The more thing change the more they stay the same. 2006 all over again minus two factory cars and all pro line-ups.

Hey AMR if you're serious about winning bring an All Pro team over until then stop whining you little....

I looked up the WEC specs for the Aston (from July 2013) and the TUSC specs from 17 January 2014. Here are the main differences:

In TUSC the aston is 20kg lighter (1225 vs 1245), has same restictors (2x 29.7mm), same gurney (15mm), has 5 Liters more fuel in WEC (95 vs 90), TUSC has a refueling flow restrictor and the aston has a smaller restrictor than the corvette and viper but bigger than the porshce, ferrari, and bmw.

The one area that is very different is the rear wing height. In WEC the wing is 100 mm below roofline, but in TUSC it is listed as+100mm (same as the BMW). Of course the other big difference in TUSC is that all the other cars carry 20 more liters of fuel than the aston. So if IMSA were to give Aston more fuel they should be able to compete (driver lineup not withstanding).

Matt · 31 Jan 2014, 20:15 (Ref:3362674)

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Land

So is anyone else interested in what the Coyote DP bodywork is going to look like? Marshall Pruett hinted awhile back it will be more LMP than DP.

Wouldn't it be something if that car takes Sebring?

I'm very interested in it.

Bob Riebe · 31 Jan 2014, 20:27 (Ref:3362682)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

When that happens it's over.

Then it is time for the IMSA to go back to what it originally was, a production based GT series.

Time to bring back Group 4.

Rcz · 31 Jan 2014, 21:20 (Ref:3362704)

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Then it is time for the IMSA to go back to what it originally was, a production based GT series.

Time to bring back Group 4.

Group 4?

Like the "Sport Car" class of the 60s and 70s that had the Ford GT40 in it?

Yes, that would be awesome.

Matt · 31 Jan 2014, 22:06 (Ref:3362716)

Anyone know why Spirit of Daytona removed its C7 style headlight overlays?

David Land · 31 Jan 2014, 22:10 (Ref:3362719)

http://www.racer.com/imsa-memo-gidle...rticle/332100/

Update on Memo Gidley, positive news!

Victor_RO · 31 Jan 2014, 22:13 (Ref:3362721)

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Originally Posted by David Land

http://www.racer.com/imsa-memo-gidle...rticle/332100/

Update on Memo Gidley, positive news!

Long recovery process, but at least he no longer needs any surgery for now.

Jack Spratt · 31 Jan 2014, 22:16 (Ref:3362723)

http://sportscar365.com/imsa/tusc/ho...sebring-debut/

No plan for Honda bodywork.....

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