USCC (leave your axe outside)

[Breitling24]

Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

One thing about the future no one seems to be talking about, after August we will lose all the content from the SPEED website, John and Marshall provide a lot of sportscar news.

If possible, the two of them would be a good start to a new site.

[HORNDAWG]

I am sure they will land somewhere, lets just hope it is as active in the sport as SPEED.com has been.



L.P.

[Mal]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Ever heard of Dallara? http://www.racecar-engineering.com/c...-tron-quattro/ They are still an authorized constructor for GA and have a couple of chassis being run occasionally.

L.P.

Yes - I am sure the connection has been made elsewhere, but with Audi's connections to Dallara and Dallara's to GA then the construction of a Audi DP chassis is far easier than many realise.

[HJJ]

Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

One thing about the future no one seems to be talking about, after August we will lose all the content from the SPEED website, John and Marshall provide a lot of sportscar news.

Both have been writing for http://www.racer.com/ recently. Their weekend "Notebooks" sections from Indycar and Sportscar races have been showing up here rather than Speed. With the Autosport content, I've been going here more and more.

[wdave0]

Originally Posted by Mal

Yes - I am sure the connection has been made elsewhere, but with Audi's connections to Dallara and Dallara's to GA then the construction of a Audi DP chassis is far easier than many realise.

Yes, Dallara is the constructor of AUDI R18 chassis and also an approved GA chassis constructor but of the approved Dallara DP chassis as used by Taylor for example. They are not approved to make a different AUDI DP chassis. This is even cheaper and indeed AUDI could buy a used chassis and just plug in their engine.

[Canada ALMS fan]

Originally Posted by HJJ

Both have been writing for http://www.racer.com/ recently. Their weekend "Notebooks" sections from Indycar and Sportscar races have been showing up here rather than Speed. With the Autosport content, I've been going here more and more.

Good to know, thanks!

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by wdave0

Yes, Dallara is the constructor of AUDI R18 chassis and also an approved GA chassis constructor but of the approved Dallara DP chassis as used by Taylor for example. They are not approved to make a different AUDI DP chassis. This is even cheaper and indeed AUDI could buy a used chassis and just plug in their engine.

Audi buy a used chassis.....





L.P.

[Fogelhund]

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...e-regulations/

Well, at least they realize they need some future direction from 2016 on.....

[wdave0]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Audi buy a used chassis.....



L.P.

True - the whole project would be pocket change to AUDI but the point is that a new Dallara chassis for AUDI would by rule be the same as what's already out there - only engine, if approved and bodywork, if approved, can be AUDI specific.
They'll have to find a way to make it sound the same too.

[Mal]

Originally Posted by wdave0

True - the whole project would be pocket change to AUDI

That is my main point if Audi wanted to get involved with USCR to help influence the future then it pretty well has all the pieces available to it virtually off the shelf and therefore at a relatively small cost

[Fogelhund]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Audi buy a used chassis.....

Isn't that EXACTLY what DP's are all about? I mean you could buy the Audi body kit, and stick it and an Audi engine in/on a Riley, Coyote, Dallara or whatever else you fancy and you've got an Audi DP, just like the Corvette DP.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Isn't that EXACTLY what DP's are all about? I mean you could buy the Audi body kit, and stick it and an Audi engine in/on a Riley, Coyote, Dallara or whatever else you fancy and you've got an Audi DP, just like the Corvette DP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRvYSZNyo8M&t=0m24s







L.P.

[MagVanisher]

Originally Posted by Mal

That is my main point if Audi wanted to get involved with USCR to help influence the future then it pretty well has all the pieces available to it virtually off the shelf and therefore at a relatively small cost

Let's hope that they don't dominate USCR... Let the privies do their job!

On the other hand, I wonder if either Toyota or Nissan is interested on USCR. If Audi is joining in, there should follow suit.

[Fogelhund]

There is a lot right in this picture that could be learned from.

[jasonjessica09]

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

There is a lot right in this picture that could be learned from.

Very good picture. In the 90's you had good multi class racing. That should considered to be ok now too. I have no problem with USCR having DP, P2, PC, and GTLM all very close in lap times. Slow the P2 cars some and you will get that!

[Speed-King]

I've been thinking about this... and I don't think multiclass racing per se is the key, but rather including cars from multiple classes in one division.

What I would find interesting is a kind of GT3 for prototypes, i.e. "build your car to whatever ruleset you want -as long as it's safe we'll BOP it into our top class". That way we could see DPs, LMPs and SuperGT/DTM cars all in one class (oh, and I guess Delta-Wings).

[Canada ALMS fan]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

I've been thinking about this... and I don't think multiclass racing per se is the key, but rather including cars from multiple classes in one division.

What I would find interesting is a kind of GT3 for prototypes, i.e. "build your car to whatever ruleset you want -as long as it's safe we'll BOP it into our top class". That way we could see DPs, LMPs and SuperGT/DTM cars all in one class (oh, and I guess Delta-Wings).

An interesting perspective. Much better than requiring LMP2 cars have bespoke aero, etc. adding to the cost of going racing needlessly just to slow them down to DP level. I can't really see much downside if the politics are kept out of the BoP. The open technical platform would certainly allow cars from all over compete in the marquis events. I quite like this.

[hondafan37]

I have the impression that the BOP between DP and P2 will be similar to what was LMP1 and LMP2 in 2007 and 2008. Of Course now LMP1 is DP (more Power and more weight) and LMP2 is P2.
In those years the LMP1 were more faster than the LMP2 in circuits with long straights such as Sebring, Road America, Road Atlanta, Mosport.
The LMP2 were more faster than the LMP1 in circuits with more curves such as Laguna Seca, Mid Ohio, Detroit, Long Beach.
In my point of view for this reason Audi go to DP because the DP will more faster than P2 in Sebring, Petit Le Mans and Daytona ( with long straights in the oval).

[Canada ALMS fan]

Originally Posted by hondafan37

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In my point of view for this reason Audi go to DP because the DP will more faster than P2 in Sebring, Petit Le Mans and Daytona ( with long straights in the oval).

Buying a DP off the shelf and building a body and engine is way cheaper than designing a bespoke P2 from scratch. That is my guess why. Plus they can make it look a little bit like an R8.

[hondafan37]

Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

Buying a DP off the shelf and building a body and engine is way cheaper than designing a bespoke P2 from scratch. That is my guess why. Plus they can make it look a little bit like an R8.

I think they could easily use one R18 in P2 with 4.2 V8 road cars.

[Purist]

If I had my druthers, I'd like to see the Audi R8C pulled out of mothballs and run. (I know it won't happen, but it has Audi styling cues, less advanced aero than present LMPs, and an engine much closer to things that will be running in the 2014 DP/P2 class: a 3.6-litre, turbo V8.)

I doubt you could reasonably eliminate enough of the aero on the R18 to get the rulemakers to accept it. Also, I would imagine the packaging is pretty tight around that 3.7-litre, diesel, turbo V6, and I don't know that the 4.2-litre would even fit. More to the point, I don't know that the atmospheric 4.2-litre would make sufficient torque with DP restrictors to be competitive.

[HORNDAWG]

Audi DOES NOT have a spec legal P-2 chassis, period! This is not a run what you brung exercise. Utilizing a Dallara chassis with bespoke Audi bodywork with an Audi production based engine in an interim scenario seems the most logical/likely, of real choices.

I also do not see USCR allowing Audi to build a 'werks' chassis without it being available to customers in the same exact spec that they started with.





L.P.

[hondafan37]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Audi DOES NOT have a spec legal P-2 chassis, period! This is not a run what you brung exercise. Utilizing a Dallara chassis with bespoke Audi bodywork with an Audi production based engine in an interim scenario seems the most logical/likely, of real choices.

I also do not see USCR allowing Audi to build a 'werks' chassis without it being available to customers in the same exact spec that they started with.





L.P.

As already I said, I believe that the DP is the best option. I repeat my message:
I have the impression that the BOP between DP and P2 will be similar to what was LMP1 and LMP2 in 2007 and 2008. Of Course now LMP1 is DP (more Power and more weight) and LMP2 is P2.
In those years the LMP1 were more faster than the LMP2 in circuits with long straights such as Sebring, Road America, Road Atlanta, Mosport.
The LMP2 were more faster than the LMP1 in circuits with more curves such as Laguna Seca, Mid Ohio, Detroit, Long Beach.
In my point of view for this reason Audi go to DP because the DP will more faster than P2 in Sebring, Petit Le Mans and Daytona ( with long straights in the oval).

[hondafan37]

So how many brands will be in prototypes next year?

In DP:

Corvette
Ford (with a new 3.2 o 3.5 v6 turbo and body kit)
Audi (With a V10 and body kit)
BMW (only with engine, Riley body)

Rumor: Aston Martin?
Maserati?
unidentified high-profile manufacturer (with small-displacement turbo powerplant)?

In P2:

Honda
Nissan?
Mazda? (with Dyson)

[Salamus]

Originally Posted by hondafan37

Mazda? (with Dyson)

With the trouble Dyson are having with the Lola and Mazda engine, I wouldn't be surprised if they do make a change next year, probably into DP.