USCC 2014 Entry List & Schedule ONLY - Page 25

Fogelhund · 2 Oct 2013, 12:17 (Ref:3311849)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Looks like Alex Job is working on a multiple car GTD program next season, didn't say which model (s) would be run but I guess Porsche.
http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...nce-21047.html

With TRG getting out of the Porsche rental business, might be a few customers interested in staying with something more proven than the Astons.

smcorolla · 2 Oct 2013, 16:34 (Ref:3311923)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

With TRG getting out of the Porsche rental business, might be a few customers interested in staying with something more proven than the Astons.

Im hoping for the Audi R8.

PatrickB · 2 Oct 2013, 18:13 (Ref:3311940)

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Originally Posted by seanyb505

I think we can all agree PC and GTC were introduced as grid fillers, and now that they're not needed...just make it a support race and take them out of the main show.

I deffinetly don't agree. PC has become much more than a feild filler. It now has some fantastic teams and drivers. PC has been the best class in the ALMS for a couple years and sounds like it will be even stronger next year.

Like other guys have said the full season USCC teams should be garanteed a spot. Then let the rest qualify and knock teams out based on a percentage from the class leader. So a slow P2 team might get bumped instead of a GTD if the GTD is closer to its class leader.

Canada ALMS fan · 2 Oct 2013, 18:41 (Ref:3311949)

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Originally Posted by seanyb505

Why lose variety and a chance at international appeal for the sake of not wanting to hurt Amateur Hour's feelings?

Agree 100%. There is no need for the LMPC class in the new series. If P2 was the top class on confidential tires and DP was the pro-am "prototype" class at least there would be diversity. Plus the DP could be left almost as-is, minus a BHP increase to stay ahead of GTLM. Spec classes have no place in a top level series.

pach233 · 2 Oct 2013, 18:43 (Ref:3311950)

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Originally Posted by PatrickB

I deffinetly don't agree. PC has become much more than a feild filler. It now has some fantastic teams and drivers. PC has been the best class in the ALMS for a couple years and sounds like it will be even stronger next year.

Which PC driver are you a family member of? PC has been the best class in the ALMS? I get that the ALMS prototype classes have been garbage for a couple years but no Pro-AM spec prototype class filled with FLM09 Chevy V8s is going to be better than ALMS GT no matter how many cars are in each class.

PC and GTC are the exact opposite of what sportscar racing is supposed to be and I'd prefer DP over PC every time. For me, PC is the 5th best class in the ALMS...out of 5. It is a class for the competitors and for the series to grid fill/collect entry fees. It is not a class for the fans to care about.

And before you ask, yes I do prefer Lucas Luhr lapping Dyson and the Delta Wing 3 times over Charlie Shears and Rusty Mitchell seconds apart battling it out for "glory" No offense to either one of them.

Canada ALMS fan · 2 Oct 2013, 18:48 (Ref:3311952)

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Originally Posted by pach233

And before you ask, yes I do prefer Lucas Luhr lapping Dyson and the Delta Wing 3 times over Charlie Shears and Rusty Mitchell seconds apart battling it out for "glory" No offense to either one of them.

Precisely. Add in the fact I think it was Shears, who was 20 laps down, trying to play race car driver, ruined the chance of the Viper passing the Corvette at the end of the race at Mosport. Useless class for the fans.

Fogelhund · 2 Oct 2013, 19:56 (Ref:3311964)

http://www.racer.com/ganassi-team-wo...rticle/314376/

Ganassi working on a full-time second car for 2014.

PatrickB · 2 Oct 2013, 23:08 (Ref:3312023)

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Originally Posted by pach233

Which PC driver are you a family member of? PC has been the best class in the ALMS? I get that the ALMS prototype classes have been garbage for a couple years but no Pro-AM spec prototype class filled with FLM09 Chevy V8s is going to be better than ALMS GT no matter how many cars are in each class.

PC and GTC are the exact opposite of what sportscar racing is supposed to be and I'd prefer DP over PC every time. For me, PC is the 5th best class in the ALMS...out of 5. It is a class for the competitors and for the series to grid fill/collect entry fees. It is not a class for the fans to care about.

And before you ask, yes I do prefer Lucas Luhr lapping Dyson and the Delta Wing 3 times over Charlie Shears and Rusty Mitchell seconds apart battling it out for "glory" No offense to either one of them.

Heres some current PC drivers-
Ryan Dalziel
Bruno Junqueira
Tom Kimber-Smith
Dane Cameron
Colin Braun
Some of the best prototype drivers out there bar none. Plus its a fantastic way for guys to get into protoypes and possibly move up to the big class in the future. No I'm not related to anyone. Do any of the current team owners have hot daughters?

schmidder · 2 Oct 2013, 23:52 (Ref:3312037)

I like lmpc, just not a part of the big show. would like to see them run with imsa lites or something.

I will say that they only slightly less interesting than the dps for me tho. only thing that makes dps a bit more interesting for me is the slight variation in shapes and engines.

**joeb** · 2 Oct 2013, 23:57 (Ref:3312039)

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Originally Posted by PatrickB

Heres some current PC drivers-
Ryan Dalziel
Bruno Junqueira
Tom Kimber-Smith
Dane Cameron
Colin Braun
Some of the best prototype drivers out there bar none. Plus its a fantastic way for guys to get into protoypes and possibly move up to the big class in the future. No I'm not related to anyone. Do any of the current team owners have hot daughters?

Personally I like the PC class. Yes it is spec, and it was introduced as a development/grid filler class, but it has produced great racing and we have gotten the chance to see some young drivers shine. It has also produced advancement by teams. Level 5, and Core have both increased their racing footprint as a result. I would add Marcelli to that list and the guy who got pole at cota van der zander(spelling?), Ende and others to the list of good PC drivers

jeast · 3 Oct 2013, 01:25 (Ref:3312059)

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Originally Posted by pach233

And before you ask, yes I do prefer Lucas Luhr lapping Dyson and the Delta Wing 3 times over Charlie Shears and Rusty Mitchell seconds apart battling it out for "glory" No offense to either one of them.

I feel the same way about Dps.

EricS · 3 Oct 2013, 02:37 (Ref:3312072)

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Midweek Motorsport ‏@specutainment 4h
Mwm Extra, no time for this exclusive tonight, Bentley concentrating in perfecting Gt3 version of Gtc, no customer cars before 2nd qtr 2014

Midweek Motorsport ‏@specutainment 4h
Bentley, "evaluating options in US. USCC is under consideration, but there are other potential series that also look suitable

Beetle · 3 Oct 2013, 02:42 (Ref:3312073)

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Originally Posted by jeast

I feel the same way about Dps.

WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT DAYTONA PROTOTYPES? SOMEONE, TELL ME NOW!!!

Would you like to watch bovine racing that allow Michelins and Yokohamas in addition to Continentals?

MoMedic9019 · 3 Oct 2013, 02:54 (Ref:3312075)

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Originally Posted by Beetle

WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT DAYTONA PROTOTYPES? SOMEONE, TELL ME NOW!!!

Would you like to watch bovine racing that allow Michelins and Yokohamas in addition to Continentals?

Low tech, ugly, and slow. Next.

jeast · 3 Oct 2013, 02:57 (Ref:3312076)

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Originally Posted by Beetle

WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT DAYTONA PROTOTYPES? SOMEONE, TELL ME NOW!!!

Would you like to watch bovine racing that allow Michelins and Yokohamas in addition to Continentals?

Its glorified club racing.. old, heavy, slow, mostly spec, without anything tech to make them an actual "Prototype". Not for top tier motorsports.

Jonerz · 3 Oct 2013, 03:10 (Ref:3312080)

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Originally Posted by jeast

I feel the same way about Dps.

1 339 Jordan Taylor
1 339 Max Angelelli
2 326 Memo Rojas
2 326 Scott Pruett
3 312 Alex Gurney
3 312 Jon Fogarty
4 308 Christian Fittipaldi
5 308 Alex Popow
5 308 Ryan Dalziel
6 306 Joao Barbosa

There is the top 10 in points from this season. Aside from Alex Popow I don't see a name there that isn't considered a very high level professional driver, and Popow has proven to be consistently quick in DPs and PCs alike.

That said, PC also features a strong list of professional drivers, so all I can deduce is that it is your bias against the cars that leads you to arrive at the opinions you have. I won't put a value judgement on that, cars are obviously a huge part of motorsport. It is car racing, after all, not driver racing.

I'm willing to bet as you become more familiar with the DP formula your opinions will change on it. PC perhaps not, as it is a spec formula and you have been exposed to it since 2010.

Chris

jeast · 3 Oct 2013, 03:16 (Ref:3312083)

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Originally Posted by Jonerz

1 339 Jordan Taylor
1 339 Max Angelelli
2 326 Memo Rojas
2 326 Scott Pruett
3 312 Alex Gurney
3 312 Jon Fogarty
4 308 Christian Fittipaldi
5 308 Alex Popow
5 308 Ryan Dalziel
6 306 Joao Barbosa

There is the top 10 in points from this season. Aside from Alex Popow I don't see a name there that isn't considered a very high level professional driver, and Popow has proven to be consistently quick in DPs and PCs alike.

That said, PC also features a strong list of professional drivers, so all I can deduce is that it is your bias against the cars that leads you to arrive at the opinions you have. I won't put a value judgement on that, cars are obviously a huge part of motorsport. It is car racing, after all, not driver racing.

I'm willing to bet as you become more familiar with the DP formula your opinions will change on it. PC perhaps not, as it is a spec formula and you have been exposed to it since 2010.

Chris

Yeah its about the cars its sportscar racing not track and field and i've had 10 years to change my mind and it hasn't happen (Its gotten worse) they are slow, ugly, mostly spec and low low low tech.. I however do go to the Rolex 24 every year and live in Daytona.

Beetle · 3 Oct 2013, 03:55 (Ref:3312088)

Edit: nevermind. Not worth the fight. :/

ACFlinn · 3 Oct 2013, 04:59 (Ref:3312095)

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Not sure how you take a WEC confirmation out of that article when Amato clearly says they aren't sure. To me it seems like they are in the process of lobbying the ACO for a better BoP break.

What the article doesn't touch on is the fact that AF Corse might not even be able to get a single entry to any USCC round if they turn out to be over-subscribed.

That is the big story for me right now. World-class entries being turned away.

OMG!

They may have to turn away cars at Daytona and Sebring!

Of course, this has been routine business at Le Mans for decades.

Andy Flinn

ACFlinn · 3 Oct 2013, 05:06 (Ref:3312096)

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Originally Posted by seanyb505

This is brilliant. I guess with the general (to me) unfavorable direction that NA Racing is taking I haven't really put my head down to think about how I would (not that I have the chance) improve things, but I think this hits the nails on the head. I think we can all agree PC and GTC were introduced as grid fillers, and now that they're not needed...just make it a support race and take them out of the main show.

Why lose variety and a chance at international appeal for the sake of not wanting to hurt Amateur Hour's feelings?

Because after all the Euro entries have been crated up and shipped back to Europe, it's the LMPC and affordable GTC-style Porsche Cup cars - and more importantly their teams and drivers - that will be filling out the grids and supporting the series at the other ten events on the USCC schedule next year.

Almost half of the 35 cars on the entry list for the ALMS race at VIR this weekend are LMPC and GTC.

Andy Flinn

Canada ALMS fan · 3 Oct 2013, 05:11 (Ref:3312098)

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Originally Posted by ACFlinn

OMG!

They may have to turn away cars at Daytona and Sebring!

Of course, this has been routine business at Le Mans for decades.

Andy Flinn

The difference is the ACO isn't turning away interesting entries to allow club racing cars in to the big show, thus diminishing the value and prestige of their marquis event.

ACFlinn · 3 Oct 2013, 05:23 (Ref:3312100)

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Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

Agree 100%. There is no need for the LMPC class in the new series. If P2 was the top class on confidential tires and DP was the pro-am "prototype" class at least there would be diversity. Plus the DP could be left almost as-is, minus a BHP increase to stay ahead of GTLM. Spec classes have no place in a top level series.

Yes, the USCC should foresake at least 8 to 10 committed LMPC entries next year in favor of phantom LMP2's and Euro LMP2's that haven't committed to anything in the USCC next year beyond maybe Daytona or Sebring.

Andy Flinn

ACFlinn · 3 Oct 2013, 05:28 (Ref:3312102)

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Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

The difference is the ACO isn't turning away interesting entries to allow club racing cars in to the big show, thus diminishing the value and prestige of their marquis event.

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Club racing? You use that word like an insult.

Fact is, these LMPC and GTC "club racers" compete at a higher level than most posters on this message board could ever dream of.

By the way, what club racing class do ALMS LMPC cars race in?

Andy Flinn

jeast · 3 Oct 2013, 05:35 (Ref:3312106)

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Originally Posted by ACFlinn

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Club racing? You use that word like an insult.

Andy Flinn

Ahh there is the problem.

ACFlinn · 3 Oct 2013, 05:39 (Ref:3312109)

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Originally Posted by jeast

Ahh there is the problem.

Yes, some fans should lose the attitude - unless they can prove that they can do better.

Andy Flinn

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