USCC (leave your axe outside) - Page 256

HJJ · 11 Apr 2014, 00:12 (Ref:3390926)

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Originally Posted by skycafe

And the torque. Also, most to the corners are lower speed, so not as much aero advantage for a P2 car.

Remember that Porsche won overall against the Audi diesels. You are not going to get more torque than that.

FLGTFAN · 11 Apr 2014, 00:15 (Ref:3390928)

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Originally Posted by Danske

So we're saying that P2s are the worst possible car to make their lap times with?

Not in the least. Saying that Long Beach is a point and squirt track with few high speed aero sections. I'm not sure why anybody thinks P2's are going to win, honestly.

Maelochs · 11 Apr 2014, 00:25 (Ref:3390932)

So ... DPs beat P2s at tracks with long straights, and at short point-and-squirt tracks. Where do P2s have an edge? Tracks with short straights and lots of high-speed corners? Any on the schedule?

The BoP was really close at Sebring, but BoP aside, if in an actual race situation the DPs simply cannot be beat (blocking P2s in slow corners and getting away on torque/power, gapping them on the straights with power, dropping them on restarts with torque/power) then why would anyone race a P2?

Theory is great but reality is real.

I know the Oak Morgan-Nissan was eating up the DPs in the West Horseshoe at Daytona, but did a P2 ever lead a lap except for pit-stop rotation?

P2 owners have to be practical, because they are in business. Sponsors don't pay for "theoretical" publicity.

As for GTD-into-GT3 ... I think the Porsche America owners might complain,. I think All the GTLM owners--and their factories--might complain too.

Lagunaseca_4life · 11 Apr 2014, 01:02 (Ref:3390939)

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Originally Posted by FLGTFAN

Not in the least. Saying that Long Beach is a point and squirt track with few high speed aero sections. I'm not sure why anybody thinks P2's are going to win, honestly.

This is what I've been saying! It's all going to come to who is willing to dive bomb turn one and pit timing and speed. I have already guessed its going to be a dp win,or maybe as others have posted an esm win just because they're title sponsor.and I don't thin gtlm will be anywhere near top five overall.

Anyways I'm off to long beach!!

Canada ALMS fan · 11 Apr 2014, 01:13 (Ref:3390941)

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Originally Posted by Lagunaseca_4life

Anyways I'm off to long beach!!

Already at my hotel waiting! Can't wait for the (early) morning session.

**joeb** · 11 Apr 2014, 01:35 (Ref:3390943)

Don't forget that there is still time to enter the Fantasy Racing Challenge for Long Beach:
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...14#post3390814

Maelochs · 11 Apr 2014, 11:17 (Ref:3391032)

Oh, how I wish they would stream practice. Cars will be on track soon and I won't have anything but T&S .... not even qualifying?? Come on guys, the cameras are there! Is bandwidth for the ten thousand who might tune in all that expensive for NASCAR's tight budget?

Disraeli Eers · 11 Apr 2014, 11:49 (Ref:3391039)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

Oh, how I wish they would stream practice. Cars will be on track soon and I won't have anything but T&S .... not even qualifying?? Come on guys, the cameras are there! Is bandwidth for the ten thousand who might tune in all that expensive for NASCAR's tight budget?

Agreed! I'm off work today and would love to stream all the action (for all series) today at LB but can't. I would even watch ads for the ability haha.

MoMedic9019 · 11 Apr 2014, 12:14 (Ref:3391050)

On another note....

Jeff Braun has officially resigned from Level 5 citing, due to a lack of "pro" programs.

Seeing as he was the head engineer for the whole smash, I'd say Level 5 is pretty much done with anything above club level.

Danathar · 11 Apr 2014, 12:27 (Ref:3391054)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

So ... DPs beat P2s at tracks with long straights, and at short point-and-squirt tracks. Where do P2s have an edge? Tracks with short straights and lots of high-speed corners? Any on the schedule?

The BoP was really close at Sebring, but BoP aside, if in an actual race situation the DPs simply cannot be beat (blocking P2s in slow corners and getting away on torque/power, gapping them on the straights with power, dropping them on restarts with torque/power) then why would anyone race a P2?

Theory is great but reality is real.

I know the Oak Morgan-Nissan was eating up the DPs in the West Horseshoe at Daytona, but did a P2 ever lead a lap except for pit-stop rotation?

P2 owners have to be practical, because they are in business. Sponsors don't pay for "theoretical" publicity.

As for GTD-into-GT3 ... I think the Porsche America owners might complain,. I think All the GTLM owners--and their factories--might complain too.

We'll know soon enough if Muscle Milk, Dyson and any other European teams come back for next year.

I agree with you, if a P2 can only win on pit strategy and are passed every time there is a restart then why would ANY european team come over to race if they know their chances of winning are minimal?

They wont. They'll stay in the ELMS or the WEC until TUSCC adopts the new prototype regs for 2017 which obsoletes the DP and the current P2.

Danathar · 11 Apr 2014, 12:28 (Ref:3391055)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

Oh, how I wish they would stream practice. Cars will be on track soon and I won't have anything but T&S .... not even qualifying?? Come on guys, the cameras are there! Is bandwidth for the ten thousand who might tune in all that expensive for NASCAR's tight budget?

I wonder why somebody can't go out there with a phone or something and stream it on ustream or somthing.

wdave0 · 11 Apr 2014, 13:00 (Ref:3391077)

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Originally Posted by Lagunaseca_4life

This is what I've been saying! It's all going to come to who is willing to dive bomb turn one and pit timing and speed. I have already guessed its going to be a dp win,or maybe as others have posted an esm win just because they're title sponsor.and I don't thin gtlm will be anywhere near top five overall.

Anyways I'm off to long beach!!

Bear in mind that it would be politically advantageous to IMSA to have a P2 win at this event, in spite of their commitment to DP.

Maelochs · 11 Apr 2014, 13:52 (Ref:3391091)

And that simple fact almost poisons a potential P2 win ... really sad, what has happened to sports car racing in North America. Fans (not just conspiracy theorists) handicapping teams based on politics, not performance ...

Well, we'll see.

TRspitfirefan · 11 Apr 2014, 14:35 (Ref:3391102)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

Oh, how I wish they would stream practice. Cars will be on track soon and I won't have anything but T&S .... not even qualifying?? Come on guys, the cameras are there! Is bandwidth for the ten thousand who might tune in all that expensive for NASCAR's tight budget?

I believe that practice and Qualifying will be streamed live.
http://origin.fanschoice.tv/schedule
Only fixed camera angles, but still pretty cool.

**joeb** · 11 Apr 2014, 15:12 (Ref:3391120)

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Originally Posted by TRspitfirefan

I believe that practice and Qualifying will be streamed live.
http://origin.fanschoice.tv/schedule
Only fixed camera angles, but still pretty cool.

Thanks, I had forgotten about that site.

MoMedic9019 · 11 Apr 2014, 15:34 (Ref:3391132)

This has to be a joke...the noise is nice, but, thats about it.

Danathar · 11 Apr 2014, 15:39 (Ref:3391135)

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Originally Posted by wdave0

Bear in mind that it would be politically advantageous to IMSA to have a P2 win at this event, in spite of their commitment to DP.

Oh I agree completely. It's definitely in their best interests. But it's also in their interests not to give DP's the advantage just because the DP owners had to shell out $$$ to get here.

It FEELS like that is what happened, that because DP cars had to shell out big bucks to be faster than P2 that it's just a given they will have the advantage.

But, if the series wants to attract other prototype owners it's going to be hard to justify even renting a P2 car if you can't win.

I hate to say it, but I think this is going to be the way it is until the new regs come out in 2017. Problem is, next year could be horrific and REALLY embarrassing if P2 owners decided to wait it out. Especially when there are SO many P2 teams overseas that might give it a try if they thought they had a chance.

Christian Mogami · 11 Apr 2014, 15:44 (Ref:3391139)

If the P2 doesn't have a chance to win at LB then ESM is going on a 'Leave',will only race at the long races this year...Glen , Petit and only because they sponsor those races.

Also Oak will be gone too if ESM goes on leave.

Danathar · 11 Apr 2014, 15:51 (Ref:3391144)

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Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

If the P2 doesn't have a chance to win at LB then ESM is going on a 'Leave',will only race at the long races this year...Glen , Petit and only because they sponsor those races.

Also Oak will be gone too if ESM goes on leave.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. I doubt ESM would bolt though. They have sponsors they have to contractually live up to which probably means showing up and racing.

The other P2 car owners that don't have to worry about contracts (Dyson, Muscle Milk/Pickett) can sit it out and I'd guess they will except the big races.

We'll see what happens. I'm looking at scoring in practice right now with 50 minutes remaining and the first 4 spots are DP.

ttdriver2009 · 11 Apr 2014, 15:54 (Ref:3391146)

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Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

If the P2 doesn't have a chance to win at LB then ESM is going on a 'Leave',will only race at the long races this year...Glen , Petit and only because they sponsor those races.

Also Oak will be gone too if ESM goes on leave.

If ESM or Oak doesn't win this race, both are leaving? That will be a blow to the series.

Danathar · 11 Apr 2014, 15:56 (Ref:3391148)

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Originally Posted by ttdriver2009

If ESM or Oak doesn't win this race, both are leaving? That will be a blow to the series.

I think that's just a prediction, not anything official.

ttdriver2009 · 11 Apr 2014, 15:59 (Ref:3391152)

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Originally Posted by Danathar

I think that's just a prediction, not anything official.

Sorry guys. It just sounded official that they were leaving.

Danathar · 11 Apr 2014, 16:00 (Ref:3391155)

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Originally Posted by ttdriver2009

Sorry guys. It just sounded official that they were leaving.

Source? Link?

Danathar · 11 Apr 2014, 16:01 (Ref:3391156)

I do have to say one thing about the DP's, they do sound cool. Actually, the LMPC cars sound the best though.

I'd imagine the current DP car spec would do pretty well around LeMans (against the P2 cars there). The straights would be VERY DP friendly.

**joeb** · 11 Apr 2014, 16:02 (Ref:3391157)

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Originally Posted by Danathar

Source? Link?

you are pretty much reading the sources.

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