2015 Calendar (UPDATED)

[GTRMagic]

If Mr Ambrose is returning to the series that made him famous next season, does anyone else think the crowd might be increased at the test day event...

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Betty is going to insult the people that are paying her a million dollars a year?

Betty is going to publicly insult the organisations that give her sponsors an opportunity to be seen in public?

I dont think anyone (SVG or Betty) is insulting anyone - asking questions of the decisions and showing disappointment shouldn't stamped out.

V8SC behaving like the Chinese Government by preventing drivers from being disappointed in the decision - asks some serious questions about their mentality & real reasons for scheduling the test day.

[GTRMagic]

BTSID. $10k fine. Sorted

[dsg]

Originally Posted by Buckshot

I really hope a storm is a'brewin over this...

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by dsg

V8SA trying to mute drivers and teams is a storm in a tea cup DSG? We live in a democracy dont we?

If its true what V8SC say that this clash was out of its control and unavoidable - why are they going to such extreme lengths to stop people speaking up?

I can only think if this was AFL or NRL - many here would be singing a different tune?

[dsg]

A company defending its business and being unhelpful, might I say even obstructionist, to a competitor. My god, call in the constitutional lawyers, democracy and the very fabric of society is under siege.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by dsg

A company defending its business and being unhelpful, might I say even obstructionist, to a competitor. My god, call in the constitutional lawyers, democracy and the very fabric of society is under siege.

NRL, AFL, Cricket etc etc... are the competitors to Motorsport, of which V8Supercars are just a part of.

V8Supercars should be working with motorsport as a whole, not infighting against eachother.

What looks sexier to a news outlet reporting for the 6pm News on a Sunday in early February? An international motor race at the mecha, Bathurst, featuring Australia's leading drivers would surely be something worth reporting on.

Is a test session and some new paint jobs at Eastern Creek going to get people's attention in the same way? And by the same token, a motor race at Bathurst with, in all due respect, no-names isn't going to get all that much attention to the general media either.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

V8SA trying to mute drivers and teams is a storm in a tea cup DSG? We live in a democracy dont we?

If its true what V8SC say that this clash was out of its control and unavoidable - why are they going to such extreme lengths to stop people speaking up?

I can only think if this was AFL or NRL - many here would be singing a different tune?

AFL and NRL players done tweet negative things about the AFL and the NRL, if they do they get issued with please explains. and big fines.


The only evidence that V8SA have told SVG to remove his post is in your mind, there is zero other evidence to support your case. The most likely scenario is that it came from employer or his sponsor

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

NRL, AFL, Cricket etc etc... are the competitors to Motorsport, of which V8Supercars are just a part of.

V8Supercars should be working with motorsport as a whole, not infighting against eachother.

What looks sexier to a news outlet reporting for the 6pm News on a Sunday in early February? An international motor race at the mecha, Bathurst, featuring Australia's leading drivers would surely be something worth reporting on.

Is a test session and some new paint jobs at Eastern Creek going to get people's attention in the same way? And by the same token, a motor race at Bathurst with, in all due respect, no-names isn't going to get all that much attention to the general media either.

the test session will get just as much and probably more media attention than the 12 hour. it is likely that the crowd will be bigger also

[peckstar]

Is there anyway we can separate the discussion on the date clash (that we had back in June and there are no new arguments) from discussion on the calendar? Seems to warrant its on thread

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

the test session will get just as much and probably more media attention than the 12 hour. it is likely that the crowd will be bigger also

Your scenario there has absolutly nothing to do with what i was talking about. But thank you for your input as ever. I'll leave it i think

[dsg]

Originally Posted by one five five

NRL, AFL, Cricket etc etc... are the competitors to Motorsport, of which V8Supercars are just a part of.

V8Supercars should be working with motorsport as a whole, not infighting against eachother.

Lemonade, Ginger Beer and Passiona the competitors. Coke and Pepsi should be working together for cola as a whole, not infighting.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by dsg

A company defending its business and being unhelpful, might I say even obstructionist, to a competitor. My god, call in the constitutional lawyers, democracy and the very fabric of society is under siege.

I was speaking more of the silencing of the drivers as an area of concern?

On your description above, you are acknowledging that Bathurst 12 Hour is a strong competitor of V8SA? Are V8SA now manufacturing a new internal competitor when as others are saying - they should be focusing on Cricket, NRL, AFL, A League, Rugby Union etc

[dsg]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

I was speaking more of the silencing of the drivers as an area of concern?

On your description above, you are acknowledging that Bathurst 12 Hour is a strong competitor of V8SA? Are V8SA now manufacturing a new internal competitor when as others are saying - they should be focusing on Cricket, NRL, AFL, A League, Rugby Union etc

Yes, V8SA are silencing drivers just as AFL, NRL, CA and other sports silence their players on social media. It's business protecting the brand from criticism. Nothing new and happens everywhere. Move along.

The Bathurst 12 Hour is a competitor to V8SA. Strong? Probably not yet but why provide headline stars to any competition, bearing in mind that V8SA is the series that made these drivers "stars" in the first place.

Seems like V8SA wanted a kickback for making the drivers available but the B12h people weren’t interested. Again why would a business give the competition a freebee? Last time I looked V8SC, just like Yeehah Events Pty Ltd weren’t set up as charities.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

I was speaking more of the silencing of the drivers as an area of concern?

On your description above, you are acknowledging that Bathurst 12 Hour is a strong competitor of V8SA? Are V8SA now manufacturing a new internal competitor when as others are saying - they should be focusing on Cricket, NRL, AFL, A League, Rugby Union etc

D.R.T - I'm curious - why do you think it's V8SA that asked for the van gis tweet to be removed? You seem to be very definite about it & I'm keen to know why.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by dsg

Yes, V8SA are silencing drivers just as AFL, NRL, CA and other sports silence their players on social media. It's business protecting the brand from criticism. Nothing new and happens everywhere. Move along.

I think there was an article only 2 or 3 weeks ago discussing V8SA saying that it wanted drivers and teams more active on social media to help promote the category.

The comments from SVG were hardly disparaging or critical of V8SA either - clearly just saying that he was disappointed that he couldnt race at the Bathurst 12 Hour.

Originally Posted by dsg

The Bathurst 12 Hour is a competitor to V8SA. Strong? Probably not yet but why provide headline stars to any competition, bearing in mind that V8SA is the series that made these drivers "stars" in the first place.

If it wasnt a strong competitor - why would they go to such lengths to basically now create a situation where there is such bad will towards V8SC?

Especially in the climate where the new tv broadcast deal has been poorly accepted?

Originally Posted by dsg

Seems like V8SA wanted a kickback for making the drivers available but the B12h people weren’t interested. Again why would a business give the competition a freebee? Last time I looked V8SC, just like Yeehah Events Pty Ltd weren’t set up as charities.

Kickback - it was more of a takeover wasn't it?

Definitely not charities - but the active attempt to prevent the development of motorsport in Australia is disappointing from my view.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Tourer

D.R.T - I'm curious - why do you think it's V8SA that asked for the van gis tweet to be removed? You seem to be very definite about it & I'm keen to know why.

There was Alex Davison's tweet which doesnt leave much to the imagination and the added chat from many who were in pitlane on Friday morning all point in one direction.

[Tourer]

OK -so a tweet from A Davo that's included in this thread & which is totally non-specific plus some pit lane rumours? Riiiiiight - not remotely definite. I'm not a fan of muzzling drivers in most cases but blaming V8SA in this case is simply a shot in the dark. Might be right but just as likely not.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Tourer

OK -so a tweet from A Davo that's included in this thread & which is totally non-specific plus some pit lane rumours? Riiiiiight - not remotely definite. I'm not a fan of muzzling drivers in most cases but blaming V8SA in this case is simply a shot in the dark. Might be right but just as likely not.

Everyone has there own opinion, but I would suggest in the balance of probabilities - one is whole lot more likely than the other.

Who else would have asked him to remove it. Teckno, VIP or his mum?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Everyone has there own opinion, but I would suggest in the balance of probabilities - one is whole lot more likely than the other.

Who else would have asked him to remove it. Teckno, VIP or his mum?

Just to be clear under what law or rule can V8SA force someone to remove a tweet?

I would suggest in the Balance of probabilities that it was either Teckno, or VIP that asked him to remove it

They are the one that would have rules and laws on their side

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Everyone has there own opinion, but I would suggest in the balance of probabilities - one is whole lot more likely than the other.

Who else would have asked him to remove it. Teckno, VIP or his mum?

Yep, everyone has their own opinion - to me Teckno is more likely but I'm not going to slag them off based my opinion, innuendo, conjecture or rumour.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Yep, everyone has their own opinion - to me Teckno is more likely but I'm not going to slag them off based my opinion, innuendo, conjecture or rumour.

Has Mr Quinn managed to get his GT series on the V8SC bill as yet?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Has Mr Quinn managed to get his GT series on the V8SC bill as yet?

4 of 6 rounds are on the bill next year. up from this year. the other two are special marquee events that would not suit a v8SC round

2015 Calendar

Proposed 2015 Australian GT Championship presented by Pirelli calendar*
Rnd#1 – Clipsal 500, Adelaide, South Australia**
Rnd#2 – Phillip Island (enduro), Victoria
Rnd#3 – Townsville, Queensland**
Rnd#4 – Sydney Motorsport Park, NSW**
Rnd#5 – Sandown, Melbourne, Victoria**
Rnd#6 – Highlands Motorsport Park, NZ
* dates to be confirmed by V8 Supercars
** V8 Supercar events

[one five five]

Originally Posted by dsg

Yes, V8SA are silencing drivers just as AFL, NRL, CA and other sports silence their players on social media. It's business protecting the brand from criticism. Nothing new and happens everywhere. Move along.

The Bathurst 12 Hour is a competitor to V8SA. Strong? Probably not yet but why provide headline stars to any competition, bearing in mind that V8SA is the series that made these drivers "stars" in the first place.

Seems like V8SA wanted a kickback for making the drivers available but the B12h people weren’t interested. Again why would a business give the competition a freebee? Last time I looked V8SC, just like Yeehah Events Pty Ltd weren’t set up as charities.

So what we are saying now is that drivers who race in the V8Supercar Championship are defined as V8Supercar drivers now, not racing drivers?

How is a one-off event held each year a competitor to a series that competes all year?

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by one five five

So what we are saying now is that drivers who race in the V8Supercar Championship are defined as V8Supercar drivers now, not racing drivers?

The other part that interests me - is the seamless move from this being a Foxsports vs Channel 10 driven agenda to now it being V8SA protecting their drivers from direct competitors?