USCC (leave your axe outside) - Page 309

Maelochs · 28 Jul 2014, 02:52 (Ref:3439115)

I cannot speak to the finances of a specific team right now but ... before the merger SunBank and NASCAR did fund fully or in part several teams ... this has been discussed to death and examples given, including statements from team owners.

I have heard that SDR (Spirit of What track?) was a Grand-Am project and money from a friend of the series supported AXR when they bought up the old Brumos car when Brumos couldn't afford to run DP and went to GT Porsches.

I have never heard that the subsidies stopped, but have no proof that they continue.

However ... I know I am not the only one to notice that SDR suddenly had gobs of money to spend on building prototype body parts to convert the DPs and that those body parts were then adopted by the series. Pretty odd behavior if SDR was a privateer team.

Hendrix · 28 Jul 2014, 03:05 (Ref:3439119)

Spirit of Daytona was around before Grand Am existed(supposedly since 1987, but if they were it wasn't in any national series prior to 1998 that I could find), they were also featured by GM quite a bit when the new bodywork was released, so that could also explain some of the money.

Also, here is the Mitsubishi Eclipse entered in the 1998 24 Hours of Daytona entered by SDR.

Salamus · 28 Jul 2014, 03:25 (Ref:3439125)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

I have never heard that the subsidies stopped, but have no proof that they continue.

It's no secret that it happened in the past, but I don't think anyone on here has proof or knows exactly how each team is funded now.

EricS · 28 Jul 2014, 03:50 (Ref:3439133)

Peter Baron seems to believe it is still continuing. From http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/10543...owall=&start=1

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As you look at the top class, in P2 and P1 last year, there were roughly 8 cars, in DP 14 cars, for a combined 22 cars. We are down to 6 DPs and 5 P2s. Of the 6 DPs , perception is only three of those are funded from “conventional methods.” And the P2s are just a few bad BoP races from participating elsewhere. If we talked about car counts that can commit today for 2015, you could be seeing two Mazda P2 cars and two to three DPs. This needs to get fixed, and what is scaring off all the people are the escalating costs and BoP discrepancies.

Gulf · 28 Jul 2014, 05:04 (Ref:3439139)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

(Since we all know this still to be the case) : Action Express is obviously one of those NASCAR subsidized teams, with Spirit of Daytona probably as well (dunno about the third one, Ganassi I guess) so maybe poor old Shank McDuck should cry for NASCAR money to keep his precious DP going? Unless he's already doing that...

Spirit of Daytona is also funded with my fing tax dollars! Fml.

Matt · 28 Jul 2014, 11:00 (Ref:3439256)

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Originally Posted by Hendrix

Spirit of Daytona was around before Grand Am existed(supposedly since 1987, but if they were it wasn't in any national series prior to 1998 that I could find), they were also featured by GM quite a bit when the new bodywork was released, so that could also explain some of the money.

Also, here is the Mitsubishi Eclipse entered in the 1998 24 Hours of Daytona entered by SDR.

i love everything about this car.

CyberMotor · 28 Jul 2014, 13:04 (Ref:3439302)

From all of this news about behind-the-scenes financing and the way that the BOP has evolved, I am beginning to think that 'BOP' actually stands for 'Bolstering Old Perceptions'.

**joeb** · 28 Jul 2014, 13:26 (Ref:3439310)

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Originally Posted by Matt

i love everything about this car.

Me too! It is right and wrong for so many reasons!

**skycafe** · 28 Jul 2014, 16:01 (Ref:3439363)

The Eclipse ran in 1995 as well. Entry/owner's was the Flis Brothers, based in Daytona, and they ran "Spirit of Daytona" on the car. Team later adopted that name. They progressed to running Corvettes in AAGT, or whatever it was called (tube frame, solid rear axle).

My daughter loved the Eclipse, and they did a really good job. Super sanitary preparation, stayed out of trouble and did pretty well against in the overall scheme.

Articus · 29 Jul 2014, 23:44 (Ref:3439923)

So why hasn't IMSA responded to pressure from GTLM AND PC class to do something about the closeness between the 2 categories? It seems like something that should have been addressed ages ago.

BullMan · 30 Jul 2014, 01:39 (Ref:3439948)

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Originally Posted by Articus

So why hasn't IMSA responded to pressure from GTLM AND PC class to do something about the closeness between the 2 categories? It seems like something that should have been addressed ages ago.

They really can't do anything. They had to slow down LMPC because they were too close to the prototypes. The P2s got slower when they were forced onto crappy Conti rubber. The GTE cars aren't going to change, and they're barely faster in top speed than the GTD cars.

jasonjessica09 · 30 Jul 2014, 01:57 (Ref:3439954)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

They really can't do anything. They had to slow down LMPC because they were too close to the prototypes. The P2s got slower when they were forced onto crappy Conti rubber. The GTE cars aren't going to change, and they're barely faster in top speed than the GTD cars.

IMSA can and hopefully will respond to the issue through scheduling. I propose keep GTLM and LMPC seperated in whatever shape and way as much as possible on the 2015 calendar. Maybe all but the NAEC races in fact. It sounds like LMPC owners want a reduced scheudle anyway.

I personally really liked the P/GTLM only format at Long Beach and Laguna. I look foward to see what GTLM/GTD will come off at VIR. I think that will be good too.

HORNDAWG · 30 Jul 2014, 04:18 (Ref:3439978)

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Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

IMSA can and hopefully will respond to the issue through scheduling. I propose keep GTLM and LMPC seperated in whatever shape and way as much as possible on the 2015 calendar. Maybe all but the NAEC races in fact. It sounds like LMPC owners want a reduced scheudle anyway.

I personally really liked the P/GTLM only format at Long Beach and Laguna. I look foward to see what GTLM/GTD will come off at VIR. I think that will be good too.

Won't happen. PC owners, as well as most everyone else, want less on the schedule but they do not want to be stuck in nowhere land by themselves.

L.P.

DeezPutz · 30 Jul 2014, 12:26 (Ref:3440100)

So multi-class racing but just at different tracks on different days. Got it.

Coach Ep · 30 Jul 2014, 15:41 (Ref:3440146)

Different combos could work at different tracks:

P/GTLM + PC/GTD
P/PC + GTLM/GTD
P/GTLM/GTD (PC can run with Lites)
P/PC/GTD

Having Continental creating faster tire compounds for the P and PC classes would help also.

Coach Ep · 30 Jul 2014, 16:38 (Ref:3440157)

No new IMSA specific R8 in 2016 and onwards:

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Originally Posted by Romolo Liebchen

Audi are committed to GT3, we will not be taking the same route to a single Championship-specific version with the new car, we cannot do it the same way again.”

From http://www.dailysportscar.com/2014/0...of-new-r8.html

Deleted · 30 Jul 2014, 17:34 (Ref:3440170)

More fuel to the fire, ie did another graph for ya - rather interesting one too

please view in actual full resolution to make sense

jasonjessica09 · 30 Jul 2014, 17:52 (Ref:3440172)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

No new IMSA specific R8 in 2016 and onwards:

From http://www.dailysportscar.com/2014/0...of-new-r8.html

Good we need a major player like Audi to put the pressure on IMSA to bring GTD to GT3.

HORNDAWG · 30 Jul 2014, 17:57 (Ref:3440174)

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Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

Good we need a major player like Audi to put the pressure on IMSA to bring GTD to GT3.

That's funny! But don't give up the day job.

L.P.

Rcz · 30 Jul 2014, 18:06 (Ref:3440176)

So just add aids and big wings?

Gulf · 30 Jul 2014, 18:39 (Ref:3440187)

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Originally Posted by Articus

So why hasn't IMSA responded to pressure from GTLM AND PC class to do something about the closeness between the 2 categories? It seems like something that should have been addressed ages ago.

Probably the same reason they haven't responded to pressure from fans to stop running old spec cars as the top class. They know better and don't care. They have a monopoly so why should they care.

DeezPutz · 30 Jul 2014, 19:11 (Ref:3440190)

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Originally Posted by Gulf

Probably the same reason they haven't responded to pressure from fans to stop running old spec cars as the top class. They know better and don't care. They have a monopoly so why should they care.

IMSA hates fans so much they're going to let those new P2 cars race next year and probably make the DP owners spend more money to get up to speed. Why they do dis?

Fogelhund · 30 Jul 2014, 19:18 (Ref:3440193)

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Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

Good we need a major player like Audi to put the pressure on IMSA to bring GTD to GT3.

I'm not so certain GT3 and GTLM are compatible in the same racing series...not without slowing down the GT3 cars, or speeding up GTLM.

MoMedic9019 · 30 Jul 2014, 19:26 (Ref:3440195)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

I'm not so certain GT3 and GTLM are compatible in the same racing series...not without slowing down the GT3 cars, or speeding up GTLM.

So speed up GTLM! Nobody would complain.

seanyb505 · 30 Jul 2014, 19:39 (Ref:3440198)

Shank would, for obvious reasons.

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