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Old 29 Nov 2004, 11:58 (Ref:1166967)   #76
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I've followed F1 since 1959...and 'American Racing' since about 1961...Whereas F1 has developed beyond all recognition...American style racing has hardly advanced!

"Dragsters" moved their same old 'hemi' "mills" from the front to the back not for technological reasons like F1, but because it was safer for the driver (sure they go faster now)

"Indy cars" where brought kicking and screaming into modernity from the 'chromed-up gayly painted' pre-war F1 Maserati copies to what F1 designers (Cooper and Champman) showed them.

"Stockers" started as cars from 'stock' (production) with their 427ci top of the range V8 motors on ovals, tried road courses but this required 2 types of chassis! (one for ovals and a better handling one that could go around corners!) Stock cars like Indy cars picked up the derogatry term "Roundy-Round" from the Drag fraternity. BUT the simplicity of 'off-the-peg' identical tube chassis, clad with sheetmetal that 'resemble' production models punters drive (GM or Ford) brightly decorated with famous consumer brands of Washing Powder, Drinks, and Hamburgers going round and round (noisely) captured the simply imaginations of their vast equivelant of what we'd call in the UK "Sun readers" and the "Good-ole-boys" put on a simple uncomplicated (for small craniums) show...that has sponsors and teams queing up to join in...Only in America!....I've been, the atmosphere is amazing but so I'm told where the Nurenburg Rallies!!...Nah! you can keep it! Europeans would never go for the ingedients that make it work in the States!

I went to the Daytona 'YAWN!...500...Ahhhhh...By contrast F1 is the height of innovation and technology, with politics and back stabbing that make ancient Rome look like a kids party. F1 is a mini microcosom of Western Capitalism and human power politics, with some very interesting special people at the top of their game...and you want overtaking as well!!! HAHAHAHA

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Western capitalism and Formula 1, cute. Well, I know, that making best out of modern day capitalism you need qualities similar to psychopath, is this also the state on Formula 1?
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Ummm. I can't say that the politics of F1 is what gets me going. In fact, the less you stress the links between 'western capitalism' and F1 the happier I'll be, but I don't want to start a political debate!

On NASCAR, I used to watch quite a lot, but I got fed up with two things:
1. The similarity of the circuits, especially the smaller ovals. Over a long race, even with overtaking, it took me real effort to get to the end.
2. The points system which meant that winners aren't always the title winners. I know this is just different and part of NASCAR, but it detracs from the action for me personally.

Some individual races are good, but I have to confess that I don't really watch them that closely anymore, partly due to the reasons above.
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