New Epsilon Euskadi LMP1 for 2007

[Matra-simca]

Originally Posted by MulsanneMike

That's somewhat of a tough one because it depends tremendously on hourly rates. Over here in the U.S. the rate is about $1000/hr. So that makes this pretty easy, US$600,000 just for their testing (that's not including the model or development parts).

That's a truly amazing figure. I recall reading that Henri Pescarolo said his "Wind Tunnel" was a stretch of road off the beaten path.... That price alone, I would think, is the cost of a carbon tub just by itself. The source of their funding also supports a Tour De France caliber cycling team. Obviously they've got some deep pockets.

Todd

[MulsanneMike]

Originally Posted by Matra-simca

That's a truly amazing figure. I recall reading that Henri Pescarolo said his "Wind Tunnel" was a stretch of road off the beaten path.... That price alone, I would think, is the cost of a carbon tub just by itself. The source of their funding also supports a Tour De France caliber cycling team. Obviously they've got some deep pockets.

Todd

Not sure I'm following the train of thought, but carbon tub costs certainly aren't approaching 7 figures by any stretch. Figure $40,000-$50,000 for a series production carbon tub and maybe approaching $100,000 (each) for a 2-3 off (low production #s).

[MulsanneMike]

Originally Posted by ss_collins

Mike thats cheap - exchange rates are very nice things!

I reckon a european tunnel could be a fair wedge more

Certainly depends on the tunnel I supposed. I've heard as little as $400/hour for some UK tunnels (I think that's right, 400 US$ not UK$).

[AU N EGL]

Nascar and Sports car Wind Tunnel here in the heart of Nascar country, Moorsville NC is $345/ hour for the first two hours ( new customers) with regular price of $490 / hour two hour minimum - You bring your own crew to make adjustments with the smoke wand.

http://www.aerodynwindtunnel.com/index.html

Or with computer analysis

AeroDyn Price Schedules
Open: Monday thru Friday
Pricing: $1490/Hour
Shift 0: 1:20 AM - 5:20 AM
Shift 1: 6:00 AM - 3:00 PM
Shift 2: 3:40 PM - 12:40 AM


http://www.aerodynwindtunnel.com/setup.html

[cmk]

Basque car = Spanish drivers? Basque car = Basque drivers!

Carlos Sainz is from Madrid; any Basque rally drivers in recent memory?

[Matra-simca]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

It is a bit sad that they had to adopt the ugly Peugeot nose

I realy like the air intakes in the roof. Much nice than the huge snorkles of Peugeot.

In general it looks much better than the Peugeot.

I couldn't agree more. Up till now, for the past three years we've seen CAD drawings, artist renderings, and scale models of closed-car LMPs, excluding Peugeot and Bentley of course, I'm just wondering who's going to be the first specialist manufacturer to have one up and really running.

Todd

[cmk]

I think the 'single-seater' nose we are seeing is going to be a common feature. It's just a stronger design in general than the low nose as far as I can tell. Epsilon has integrated it much more elegantly than Peugeot in general, from an aesthetic perspective.

[MulsanneMike]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

Nascar and Sports car Wind Tunnel here in the heart of Nascar country, Moorsville NC is $345/ hour for the first two hours ( new customers) with regular price of $490 / hour two hour minimum - You bring your own crew to make adjustments with the smoke wand.

http://www.aerodynwindtunnel.com/index.html

Or with computer analysis

AeroDyn Price Schedules
Open: Monday thru Friday
Pricing: $1490/Hour
Shift 0: 1:20 AM - 5:20 AM
Shift 1: 6:00 AM - 3:00 PM
Shift 2: 3:40 PM - 12:40 AM


http://www.aerodynwindtunnel.com/setup.html

Aerodyn is an interesting facility and the larger tunnel (A1) has the ability to spin the car's wheels. But as a full size facility it is limited in its uses during the development phase, not to mention when developing a heavy aero car that uses ground effects aerodynamics. Aerodyn's "A1" tunnel is nearly $1500/hour. The smaller A2 (non spinning wheels) is the above mentioned prices.

[minimangler]

A few points: first up, the new version looks much better and i MUCH prefer the pug nose, as i personally don't like the nose like for example Porsche or the old Lola (boxy), and think the arrowish nose makes for a good p1.

second, what engine is it gonna have? It's gonna need to be a monster to beat peugeot or audi.

third, the new front wheel arches (mainly the front part of the front wheel arches, where the lights are- does that have a technical term?) look much better shorter and more upright, didnt like the old ones at all.

good look eskaudi!

However, the slim nose on the dome, especially the shape as it widens toward the cockpit, is perfect

[ss_collins]

MIRA's FSWT is not exactly expensive and I think thats £5,000 for 8 hours

[Hammerdown]

Noticed that the latest Euskadi doesn't seem to have louvres on the front wheel pontoons. I thought they were a legal requirement.

[MulsanneMike]

Originally Posted by Hammerdown

Noticed that the latest Euskadi doesn't seem to have louvres on the front wheel pontoons. I thought they were a legal requirement.

Per ACO, you are correct:

3.4.6 - Air extractors :

c/ They are mandatory above the front wheels without
protruding more than 20 mm (louvers) :
• Total area of the openings : 25 sq. in. (160 cm2) as a
minimum on each side.

Though in the high res version of the CAD rendering you can see a parting line where they would go. Though its odd they would test without them if they are mandatory.

[NightStalk3r]

Originally Posted by minimangler

second, what engine is it gonna have? It's gonna need to be a monster to beat peugeot or audi.

They already have a Judd GV5 S2 for it.

[Adri_tifosi]

Originally Posted by cmk

Basque car = Spanish drivers? Basque car = Basque drivers!

Carlos Sainz is from Madrid; any Basque rally drivers in recent memory?

Basque is Spain , yes or yes

And if you want to do a decent job at Le Mans , you need good drivers , no ex-rally drivers without experiencie . . . .

[fausto]

Originally Posted by Adri_tifosi

Basque is Spain , yes or yes

And if you want to do a decent job at Le Mans , you need good drivers , no ex-rally drivers without experiencie . . . .

Carlos Sainz, back in 1998/99, tested the Toyota GT-One, it was said that his lap times were up-to-the-job...after all he started his career racing, not rallying

[Adri_tifosi]

Originally Posted by fausto

Carlos Sainz, back in 1998/99, tested the Toyota GT-One, it was said that his lap times were up-to-the-job...after all he started his career racing, not rallying

Who is telling Carlos Sainz is the ex-rally driver ?

I remember Carlos Sainz has a deal with Volkswagen , and Volkswagen has Audi Sport at Le Mans . . .

[E46]

Originally Posted by Adri_tifosi

Basque is Spain , yes or yes

And if you want to do a decent job at Le Mans , you need good drivers , no ex-rally drivers without experiencie . . . .

At last a bit of sense.

[Joaquin Topiso]

Originally Posted by E46

At last a bit of sense.

Loeb was doing fine with Pescarolo!I think you need good drivers (Sainz is) who can bring the money to the time (Sainz can) having the maturity and experience enough to cope with endurance racing (Sainz has).Being this the first ever Spanish effort into LMP, and considering they will run two cars, I wouldn't be surprised if Sainz drove in one of them. However, I think he won't drive unless the car proves it can win races.

[Joaquin Topiso]

Originally Posted by Hammerdown

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/a...e-lmp1-07.html

I think it says somewhere here that the roof scoop has been dropped in favour of a NACA duct. Sorry to spoil your fun.

Mulsannes' pictures are the latest. There will be a nice scoop, but not on the very top as the GT-One, but more rearwards.

[wapomumalo]

Originally Posted by fausto

Carlos Sainz, back in 1998/99, tested the Toyota GT-One, it was said that his lap times were up-to-the-job...after all he started his career racing, not rallying

Well...being 4 seconds off Brundle´s best is not what I consider a competitive drive.

I know Epsilon Euskadi needs sponsors and money...hiring Sainz can be the way to achieve that, but not a way to get respect in the endurance comunity.

You know, if they want to make two tubs and have fun ok, but if they want to be a professional try to promote their product in order to sell cars to cstumers...they should better sign experienced drivers and young fast upcoming ones.

[Adri_tifosi]

Originally Posted by Joaquin Topiso

Loeb was doing fine with Pescarolo!I think you need good drivers (Sainz is) who can bring the money to the time (Sainz can) having the maturity and experience enough to cope with endurance racing (Sainz has).Being this the first ever Spanish effort into LMP, and considering they will run two cars, I wouldn't be surprised if Sainz drove in one of them. However, I think he won't drive unless the car proves it can win races.

Loeb was 30 years at his first Le Mans.

Sainz will have 46 or 47 years at his first Le Mans.

[KlausMuller]

I Think that it´s a very good notice. Because in Spain LeMans and endurance aren´t very popular, but now with Marc Gené in Peugeot and the Epsilon project things will run better...
I don´t want to see C.Sainz in this project, I think that we have a very good drivers like A.Garc�*a (Team Módena), Félix Porteiro (WTCC) Javi Villa (GP2), Oriol Serviá (Champ Car), Pedro de la Rosa (Mclaren), Jordi Gené (Marc´s Brother), Ángel Burgeño and Miguel Ángel de Castro (LMP2) and many more... Carlos Sainz is almost an ex-driver, in rallye we have Dani Sordo and Dani Solá that they are in a very godd form tha Sainz.

But don´t forget that it´s a Spanish project, non a Basque project...

Regads!!!

[zac510]

More computer renderings out on the news sites..
any sign of a chassis?

[Hammerdown]

Originally Posted by zac510

More computer renderings out on the news sites..
any sign of a chassis?

http://endurance-info.com/article.php?sid=4927&thold=0

Like this?

[zac510]

I swear that wasn't there when I made my post!