Mini racing in the south east. - Page 47

Minicross424 · 10 Nov 2009, 18:01 (Ref:2579645)

I will have to see the proposals but im sure it will be intermarques or dmn for me chris.

Minicross424 · 10 Nov 2009, 19:27 (Ref:2579693)

Very reasonable box trailer for sale on ebay in Ashford if any if you guys are interested.
One or two of you were saying about getting one.
Its not mine by the way! but i know the guy who has it.
Item number on ebay is 270482329971

rww · 10 Nov 2009, 20:31 (Ref:2579726)

[QUOTE=Chris_w;2579602]Looks like I'm going to concentrate on DMN next year........

And an entry for Le Mans ?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/dri...cle6878107.ece

Minicross424 · 11 Nov 2009, 07:29 (Ref:2579945)

lucky lad Chris!
Well done

Robert Morris · 11 Nov 2009, 15:23 (Ref:2580162)

Well looking at class structure for dmn in motoring news it will be Mini 7 club migs and British car trophy for me.

Copperbottom · 11 Nov 2009, 17:10 (Ref:2580228)

[QUOTE=rww;2579726]

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Originally Posted by Chris_w

Looks like I'm going to concentrate on DMN next year........

And an entry for Le Mans ?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/dri...cle6878107.ece

Well done Chris,perhaps you ought to race a rwd car now

Cujo · 11 Nov 2009, 20:14 (Ref:2580323)

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Originally Posted by Robert Morris

Well looking at class structure for dmn in motoring news it will be Mini 7 club migs and British car trophy for me.

Not much scope for 1380cc dual valve it seems, shame

Any 2010 calendar hints from our friends at the BCT Rob?

Robert Morris · 11 Nov 2009, 22:43 (Ref:2580430)

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Originally Posted by Cujo

Not much scope for 1380cc dual valve it seems, shame

Any 2010 calendar hints from our friends at the BCT Rob?

As soon as i get any date conformation i will list straight away, and we will also be there to help those that want to go abroad.

Copperbottom · 11 Nov 2009, 22:51 (Ref:2580435)

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Originally Posted by Cujo

Not much scope for 1380cc dual valve it seems, shame

Well,I was 2nd in class this year with the least powerful car! All is not lost

**BertMk2** · 12 Nov 2009, 09:42 (Ref:2580653)

The 1380's should still be able to mix it in class E, they might run out of puff against the Escorts on the longer circuits but can hold there own elsewhere (and then if it's wet......)

Robert Morris · 12 Nov 2009, 10:30 (Ref:2580671)

Lets hope for rain at all meetings then!!!

Robert Morris · 12 Nov 2009, 11:15 (Ref:2580692)

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Originally Posted by BertMk2

The 1380's should still be able to mix it in class E, they might run out of puff against the Escorts on the longer circuits but can hold there own elsewhere (and then if it's wet......)

So some food for thought.
A 1600cc twin cam nova/ corsa can produce about 230 bhp and weighs about 600 kilos which if my maths are correct is 383 bhp per ton i think bills kad is in the region of 325bhp per ton.
Now also you can have a mk1 escort 1600 bda which 25 years ago mine was on the dyno at 185 bhp.
My mig produces 130 bhp on the dyno and weighs 590 kilos 220 bhp per ton and only have one controlled tyre. plus a lot smaller brakes than say a nova/ corsa could have.
i rest my case.

**BertMk2** · 12 Nov 2009, 11:32 (Ref:2580702)

You're not comparing like with like - you're comparing a Nova pushed to the limits against a Mig spec Mini. But you don't have to run mig spec - it's not migs it's modified saloons so you can run different wheels and tyres, you can run different brakes, you can upgrade the engine - if you choose not to then you can't complain about it, the regs allow you to upgrade from Mig spec. If you want to run in a tightly controlled spec series then you can - it's Miglias not the DMN.

The Minis in Class E (the new class E) will be able to scrap with the Escorts - in the season just finished the Minis weren't bringing up the rear in the races and that's not going to change just because the class structure is different. I don't think people like Ken will have too much to worry about - bigger class entries mean more points on offer for the win. A well driven Mini will be competitive in that class.

Robert Morris · 12 Nov 2009, 12:18 (Ref:2580723)

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Originally Posted by BertMk2

You're not comparing like with like - you're comparing a Nova pushed to the limits against a Mig spec Mini. But you don't have to run mig spec - it's not migs it's modified saloons so you can run different wheels and tyres, you can run different brakes, you can upgrade the engine - if you choose not to then you can't complain about it, the regs allow you to upgrade from Mig spec. If you want to run in a tightly controlled spec series then you can - it's Miglias not the DMN.

The Minis in Class E (the new class E) will be able to scrap with the Escorts - in the season just finished the Minis weren't bringing up the rear in the races and that's not going to change just because the class structure is different. I don't think people like Ken will have too much to worry about - bigger class entries mean more points on offer for the win. A well driven Mini will be competitive in that class.

So to recap i have a mig. To chage to 1380 become expensive also im not putting bigger wheels or brakes just because of the dmn class change i bet, Gerald, Ken, Steve wont either. Its a no brainer.
Personal choice me thinks.
By the way wot do you drive?
Does not have to be like for like its what could happen.

**BertMk2** · 12 Nov 2009, 13:13 (Ref:2580752)

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Originally Posted by Robert Morris

So to recap i have a mig. To chage to 1380 become expensive also im not putting bigger wheels or brakes just because of the dmn class change i bet, Gerald, Ken, Steve wont either. Its a no brainer.
Personal choice me thinks.

Exactly - it's your choice not to modify your car beyond a certain spec, so you can't complain if others do as long as they still fit the class rules. Gerald, Ken and Steve don't need to change their cars to be competitive in the new class E - their laptimes from the season just finished prove that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Morris

Does not have to be like for like its what could happen.

You were comparing a top spec Nova with your mig spec mini - they're both eligible for the class so yes it could happen. Similarly someone could enter a highly modified 1380 Mini and someone else a bog standard 1300 Nova - they're all legal for the class. If you don't want to race against modified cars then don't enter a championship for modified cars. Based on your arguments you seem to think that there should be a class purely for mig spec Minis?

Chris_w · 12 Nov 2009, 13:27 (Ref:2580764)

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Originally Posted by Robert Morris

Does not have to be like for like its what could happen.

I think this is the crux of the problem Rob - the rules have been (re)written to reflect the cars currently racing not what could turn up. You are right that there is the potential for something to come along that would blow us all into the weeds but until that happens I'm personally happy to have more cars in Class E to race against and I'll take my chances against the bigger engined cars.

Robert Morris · 12 Nov 2009, 16:58 (Ref:2580875)

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Originally Posted by BertMk2

Exactly - it's your choice not to modify your car beyond a certain spec, so you can't complain if others do as long as they still fit the class rules. Gerald, Ken and Steve don't need to change their cars to be competitive in the new class E - their laptimes from the season just finished prove that.

You were comparing a top spec Nova with your mig spec mini - they're both eligible for the class so yes it could happen. Similarly someone could enter a highly modified 1380 Mini and someone else a bog standard 1300 Nova - they're all legal for the class. If you don't want to race against modified cars then don't enter a championship for modified cars. Based on your arguments you seem to think that there should be a class purely for mig spec Minis?

I dont have a problem with class e as it is this year and if there is a dominant car we have had the abilty within the exsisting rules to add weight penalty. Now im not totaly sure but i dont think Bill has had any more class wins than some others.The proof is he finished second in the championship.
What i reckon if i bulid a 1600 corsa dominate the class for a season the rules could be changed again.
Just for the record i have a 1380 as well

You still not told us what class you race in.

Minicross424 · 12 Nov 2009, 17:29 (Ref:2580891)

[QUOTE=Robert Morris;2580723]So to recap i have a mig. To change to 1380 becomes expensive.
Depends who builds it Rob!

Also if any of you are not happy with dmn dont forget the intermarques that has the same structure as last year.
Chris and myself have proved that you can mix it with the best in there and i for one would welcome more compertition.

Robert Morris · 12 Nov 2009, 18:11 (Ref:2580919)

[QUOTE=Minicross424;2580891]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Morris

So to recap i have a mig. To change to 1380 becomes expensive.
Depends who builds it Rob!

Also if any of you are not happy with dmn dont forget the intermarques that has the same structure as last year.
Chris and myself have proved that you can mix it with the best in there and i for one would welcome more compertition.

Tris i agree class e intermarque has been good fun, on certain rounds and probly will in 2010.

I not bothered about winning a championship my self. My aim is to enjoy what i do.
But to have to change engines gets time consuming and expensive.
Once apon a time there was a chance if you had a reliable class e mini and drove it like bill did 4 years ago, you could win a championship i dont believe that is possible now.

bdwoody · 12 Nov 2009, 20:36 (Ref:2581009)

i'm sure that british leyland made a megane........honest. can i play at spa tooooo..

Robert Morris · 12 Nov 2009, 20:53 (Ref:2581022)

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Originally Posted by bdwoody

i'm sure that british leyland made a megane........honest. can i play at spa tooooo..

No that was in the days of bmc

bdwoody · 12 Nov 2009, 21:08 (Ref:2581034)

no honest a maxi megane ......lol

Robert Morris · 12 Nov 2009, 21:16 (Ref:2581040)

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Originally Posted by bdwoody

no honest a maxi megane ......lol

was that the rear wheel drive version?

bdwoody · 12 Nov 2009, 21:22 (Ref:2581042)

doh , i will have to dig deeper .. :-)

Robert Morris · 20 Nov 2009, 08:33 (Ref:2585593)

Due to the troubles at Donnington this week the mini 7 club are unable to issue dates yet for next year.
Will be published asap.

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