Group 5 BMW 320's. - Page 5

Zep · 25 Dec 2007, 10:24 (Ref:2094690)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex E

Kurt,
Regarding the `Warsteiner` conection with the other `Rodenstock` Schnitzer car now in France, I think the confusion arrises from the fact that after Schnitzer sold the car to Krebs he was sponsored by Warsteiner & the car was in similar gold livery to the Obermoser car.

alex

Yep, I think that's the case. Rodenstock Schnitzer has very unique front spoiler - wheel arches compination that seems to separate it from other 320's. Obermoser's car ain't even close to it -although if Schnitzer really rebuilt the car...

driftwood · 25 Dec 2007, 10:50 (Ref:2094698)

Ian thanks for the info
re teh front air dam i can only surmise the part was a "spare" that Fischer acquired with the parts he bought or possibly the whole wreck to reshell
If only we can locate Gustav Fischer- you cant beat hearing it from the horses mouth!!
I am in a dilema
If i rebuild car as per the foto it doesnt get people wetting their pants but if i repaint in warsteiner colours it will BUT i will have people saying but its no the real car thats in fruit of the loom colours in a private collection!!

so guys what would you do

no i am NOT going to paint it in BMW colours thats what sad lonely people do!!

Alex E · 25 Dec 2007, 11:01 (Ref:2094700)

Forgot to add, Krebs ran his `Warsteiner` 320 3-4 years after Obermoser ran his so there should not really be any confusion betwen them. & as has been said the bodywork really is quite different.
Alex

kurtiejjj · 26 Dec 2007, 00:09 (Ref:2094855)

Driftwood, I think Gustav Fischer is/was part of the family who owns the Fischer Mess- und Regeltechnik GmbH comapny, as he once entered a 2002 with 'Fischer regeltechnik'.

Regarding the paint, originality is always best. But on the other hand as it borrowed so many bits from the Cheever car why not give the BMW colours a go? Most of those are in museums, aren't they? so it would be good to see one on the track again.

driftwood · 26 Dec 2007, 11:34 (Ref:2094956)

Thanks for info i have found website sent email with car photo
next week i will ask my german friend to call them to harras!!

not tto keen to run in pukka BMW colours for fear of being accused of being a total wnkr!!:>)

Eddy V · 26 Dec 2007, 17:17 (Ref:2095020)

I've been going through some race programmes that I still have from the early days, I found that Gustav Fischer lives (used to live?) at Oberkochen.
When searching on the net it shows a Fischer Haulage company and a bit further down an email address. Maybe with some luck the right guy? He looks the right age anyhow.
http://www.fischer-spedition-oberkoc...takt/team.php?

driftwood · 27 Dec 2007, 15:07 (Ref:2095367)

thanks Eddy for info i have sent email with car foto to this company as well
i will get my friend to call next week and see if he is the man i seek

Thundersports · 28 Dec 2007, 11:45 (Ref:2095709)

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftwood

Thanks for info i have found website sent email with car photo
next week i will ask my german friend to call them to harras!!

not tto keen to run in pukka BMW colours for fear of being accused of being a total wnkr!!:>)

I think it would suit you drifty......

driftwood · 29 Dec 2007, 10:16 (Ref:2096108)

i can see i will have to send round my russian friend to see you
Irma Gonachopabolokoffa

**John Turner** · 29 Dec 2007, 21:46 (Ref:2096340)

Hmmmm, I think this thread maybe due for some editing!

On a more serious note, this subject is ripe for the Chassis Archive but it would be good to get some chassis numbers to go with some of the histories.

Thundersports · 30 Dec 2007, 18:33 (Ref:2096655)

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftwood

i can see i will have to send round my russian friend to see you
Irma Gonachopabolokoffa

I remember him in Interserie in the 80's............

driftwood · 31 Dec 2007, 08:16 (Ref:2096980)

i would like to see some under body cockpit photos does anyone have any to post or mail me?

kurtiejjj · 9 Jan 2008, 14:36 (Ref:2102622)

I have found some photos of various parts of a GS tuning car, I don't into what extent they're useful for anyone on this board, let me know.

On another note, what to the Wiik Schnitzer car? Which was the ex-Ertl/winkelhock car. Is this the car Ertl raced later in the season, after Schnitzer his old car to Franz Albrecht?

Alex E · 12 Jan 2008, 20:16 (Ref:2104886)

Kurt,
RE the Ertl car, I assume you mean the Sachs car from `78?
If so there were 2 of them. The Wiik car was not one of them though. Schniter used one car (Sachs,,,) until mid-season `78 and then built another for the second half of `78. The second car from `78 was then used for the first half of `79 (Winkelhock / Rodenstock..) Then they used another car for the second half of `79. This was the Wiik car, which at the end of `79 was sold to Krebs who raced the car with Warsteiner as sponsor.

Alex

driftwood · 13 Jan 2008, 12:27 (Ref:2105196)

where would these 3 cars be now?
also is the 2nd Schnitzer car ( 1978 part 2 used 1979 part1 ) the Rodenstock car that steve elliot had now sold to Guikas

kurtiejjj · 13 Jan 2008, 14:40 (Ref:2105265)

OK, That's very interesting Alex; that would mean Franz Albert's 1978 Schnitzer car was Ertl's car in the first half of that season. Or that is what the november issue of rallye racing said.

The 2nd schnitzer car must've been the one that was for auction not long ago at coys, as discussed in this topic before.

3rd car is said to be with a private collector in Finland, isn't it?

Zep · 13 Jan 2008, 15:12 (Ref:2105273)

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurtiejjj

3rd car is said to be with a private collector in Finland, isn't it?

No. All "Finnish" Gr 5 320s has left the country.

Alex E · 13 Jan 2008, 19:17 (Ref:2105430)

Yes I suppose Franz Alberts car could have been the first Sachs car, But I think this car is now in Switzerland.
The `third` Schnitzer car is here in England, Schnitzer sold the car to BMW Hong Kong after Macau 1980 (which it won with Stuck driving....) & the car spent many years in Asia racing until it came here about 10 years ago. It was never in Finland. I understand that when new cars wre built mid-season the old ones was retained as a spare until the end of the season.
Alex

kurtiejjj · 28 Jan 2008, 22:20 (Ref:2115838)

Thanks for that explanation alex E, very interesting stuff!

Driftwood have you made any progress with your car? You should finish it before the DRM revival in August

!

driftwood · 28 Jan 2008, 23:18 (Ref:2115893)

not started the car rebuild too busy with new workshop £ being spent there!

DWADWA · 17 Feb 2008, 14:33 (Ref:2130900)

Hi, Does anyone know the history of BMW 320 Turbo : E21-R1-23 ?

ian beckett · 17 Feb 2008, 20:10 (Ref:2131078)

Hello,can you give a little more information as a starting point? Thanks Ian.

driftwood · 17 Feb 2008, 23:38 (Ref:2131401)

where is the car now
what livery any history to add

kurtiejjj · 22 Feb 2008, 20:05 (Ref:2135247)

Driftwood, I have been searching for a photo of your 320, I contacted an amateur photographer in Germany as I thought he must've had something in his archive (I got some real grp5 treasures from it). He searched thoroughly but couldn't find any. I may have another chance with another amateur who has an archive of 20000+ photos of the era.

I hope DWADWA posts something back, would be an interesting addition to what info there is at the moment.

ian beckett · 22 Feb 2008, 21:26 (Ref:2135290)

Hopefully I will be posting some info' on the above car tomorrow.Kurt,any chance of seeing some of these photos or getting an address? Ian.

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