Kostecki Out For Bathurst & AGP, then BACK for Taupo - Page 7

Madbugger · 5 Feb 2024, 23:34 (Ref:4195258)

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Originally Posted by Henry

I'm thinking that there might’ve been bits of somebody's contract with performance incentives that went unpaid, despite the KPI's being hit/surpassed... perhaps the disgruntled contracted party approached Supercars to enquire as to whether failure to honour said contract breached some code of conduct or another under some charter or another... and was perhaps met with silence or similar... so perhaps he took his bit of paper to the folks who underwrite it and asked them what they thought...

Or maybe someone stubbed their toe on the edge of a toolbox and didn't get enough hugs.

**GTRMagic** · 6 Feb 2024, 00:08 (Ref:4195260)

Ojeda To Erebus

GROUPA · 6 Feb 2024, 01:01 (Ref:4195264)

Erebus has form with what is going on now - they did the same to Peter Haackett all those years ago

Ryan Maddison was a dud and Barry Ryan isn't much better

Henry · 6 Feb 2024, 01:03 (Ref:4195265)

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Originally Posted by Madbugger

Or maybe someone stubbed their toe on the edge of a toolbox and didn't get enough hugs.

Well, that can leave a person feeling a bit scarred...

**GTRMagic** · 6 Feb 2024, 02:34 (Ref:4195270)

Todd Hazelwood Shakes down #1

**GTRMagic** · 6 Feb 2024, 02:36 (Ref:4195271)

She’s a bit naked…

**GTRMagic** · 6 Feb 2024, 03:14 (Ref:4195275)

Roland Dane’s View

HDTVKSS · 6 Feb 2024, 03:22 (Ref:4195276)

Having the number 1 on the car with everything that is going is is a complete pi$$take.....

Tourer · 6 Feb 2024, 03:27 (Ref:4195277)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Roland Dane’s View

Hard to argue with any of that.

Don't really know why Supercars felt that it needed to pump out a release that said not much at all other than hinting at mental health issues. Would have been better I think to say nothing at all and leave it to the team to sort out with its driver, or better yet, get involved with the team and driver in a mediator / leadership role and only then, maybe issue a release saying that Supercars is working with the team and driver to assist in resolution and no further comment would come until that happened.

Clearly, given the exodus of sponsors, something catastrophic has happened and I guess that we'll find out in the fullness of time what it's all about but the way the team and Supercars has handled it publicly really hasn't been smart at all IMHO.

V8 Fireworks · 6 Feb 2024, 03:29 (Ref:4195279)

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Looks good! Putting #1 on it seems like Erebus Motorsport being stubborn.

Is there any truth to the rumour of Erebus Motorsport tampering with the control Supashock shock absorbers in the 2023 season? Noting Barry Ryan is a shock absorber specialist. It may be fake news.

I assume shock absorber teardowns or shock dynos are not part of routine scrutineering, but there are probably tamper-proof seals on them to prevent modifications, so I dunno.

Compromised · 6 Feb 2024, 03:32 (Ref:4195280)

Pretty easy to see why T8 have been the top dog for so long - Dane is a natural leader and someone you want to follow into battle.

Would love to see him running Supercars

V8fan12 · 6 Feb 2024, 03:45 (Ref:4195282)

https://speedcafe.com/rolands-view-the-kostecki-affair/

Roland seems to suggest it's a toxic workplace issue

**GTRMagic** · 6 Feb 2024, 04:36 (Ref:4195284)

E.B · 6 Feb 2024, 05:06 (Ref:4195285)

Hit the nail smack on the head Roland.

Compromised · 6 Feb 2024, 05:17 (Ref:4195286)

Do you think it was "fun" to be part of Jordan's Bulls? They won though

Do you think it was "fun" being on Schumacher's crew? They won though

Do you think it was "fun" being part of the Apollo missions? They won though

I'm not sure where the line is drawn but some of histories greatest achievements have only happened because of "noxious" environments.

Hell, Erebus did win after all

HDTVKSS · 6 Feb 2024, 05:23 (Ref:4195287)

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Originally Posted by Compromised

Do you think it was "fun"

There's a difference between being not having fun and an abusive / toxic workplace.

Compromised · 6 Feb 2024, 05:29 (Ref:4195288)

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Originally Posted by HDTVKSS

There's a difference between being not having fun and an abusive / toxic workplace.

Problem is that difference is defined by the individual - some would sell their soul for a championship. If Brodie doesn't enjoy it that's fair, but it's also fair to mention results. Erebus were clearly the best team last year

bludvl_x19 · 6 Feb 2024, 05:31 (Ref:4195289)

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Originally Posted by Compromised

Do you think it was "fun" to be part of Jordan's Bulls? They won though

Do you think it was "fun" being on Schumacher's crew? They won though

Do you think it was "fun" being part of the Apollo missions? They won though

I'm not sure where the line is drawn but some of histories greatest achievements have only happened because of "noxious" environments.

Hell, Erebus did win after all

Giving this more effort than it deserves, but the examples you gave were more than just flash in the pans, they were sustained excellence over a number of years, decades in some. And none of them involved the Jordan, the Schumacher, the Armstrong, being bellittled by the head coach.

Erebus have won a single championship, and the list of people thrown by the wayside is long, and boasts names such as Hackett, Youlden, Renyolds and now Kostecki.

Compromised · 6 Feb 2024, 05:42 (Ref:4195290)

So you're saying NFL/NBA/etc. coaches don't belittle their players? I admit it's not every coaches style but it's still common enough and they're often successful.

Very naive to suggest otherwise.

Of the drivers you listed, how were their results once they left the noxious confines of Erebus

HDTVKSS · 6 Feb 2024, 06:25 (Ref:4195291)

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Originally Posted by Compromised

So you're saying NFL/NBA/etc. coaches don't belittle their players? I admit it's not every coaches style but it's still common enough and they're often successful.

Very naive to suggest otherwise.

Of the drivers you listed, how were their results once they left the noxious confines of Erebus

So is your contention that the end justifies the means, regardless of the means? Sounds like an amazingly slippery slope.

**GTRMagic** · 6 Feb 2024, 06:36 (Ref:4195292)

#9 picked this up too

And linked the previous departures..

GreenMachine · 6 Feb 2024, 07:07 (Ref:4195293)

If the only way you can win is by being toxic, you are a sh1t manager/leader.

End of story.

Bosses might drive a workforce hard, take unpleasant decisions, push people to perform, even micromanage them, but that is not toxic management. Toxic is pulling people down, destroying them.

Ares · 6 Feb 2024, 07:42 (Ref:4195295)

When you are dealing with these types of personalities in positions like this. The main protagonist will often manipulate other relationships. Causing rifts between second and third parties. These people are experts at this, it can be very subtle. People outside the circle may never notice a thing or notice they themselves are being used in the game. Some people like pulling other people down. This is not health, especially if you are being isolated.

Good on Roland, again.

**GTRMagic** · 6 Feb 2024, 07:43 (Ref:4195296)

Funny to see Mr Le Brocq in an AMG driving suit and CCRbE fireproof underwear..

Compromised · 6 Feb 2024, 07:58 (Ref:4195298)

If I was in a toxic environment, being pulled down and belittled constantly the last thing I'd do is go and win a national championship. Brodie is one in a billion to be able to achieve what he did in those conditions....oh, Will Brown top 5 in the championship is amazing given the circumstances too. Jeez, what are the odds of both drivers overcoming horrific circumstances to succeed? Truly special

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