Official Round 6: Monaco Grand Prix - Page 7

beau1 · 26 May 2013, 16:13 (Ref:3253503)

I saw little wrong with Perez's racing today. It was good to see someone having a go rather than falling back on the easy option of letting the tyres burns themselves out.

I thought the move on Alonso was fair; nothing wrong with it at all. The move on Kimi was from a long way back although Kimi did squeeze him which led to the contact. Kimi could have let him some more room but the move wasn't going to stick anyway.

Great stuff by Rosberg; great professional drive. Hamilton had a decent race but was made to look ordinary.

airbusA346 · 26 May 2013, 16:22 (Ref:3253508)

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Originally Posted by beau1

If there had been Armco or a wall there then the drivers would take the corner with nowhere near the amount of speed they do today. Actually, the whole entry to the corner would change and taking away any chance of making an overtake. It would be much more like Swimming Pool if there was a barrier there or if it was moved closer to the apex.

Maybe they should put the barriers in place, like they do for the Porsche Supercup.

GTE · 26 May 2013, 16:28 (Ref:3253512)

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Originally Posted by beau1

I saw little wrong with Perez's racing today. It was good to see someone having a go rather than falling back on the easy option of letting the tyres burns themselves out.

I thought the move on Alonso was fair; nothing wrong with it at all.

The move was ok, the decision of the stewards was not. Alonso did the only thing he could do to avoid a collision. If he hadn't and the collision had occurred, it would have been Perez' fault.

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The move on Kimi was from a long way back although Kimi did squeeze him which led to the contact.

Kimi just defended the corner as he is supposed to do. He had no way of knowing Perez would pull this off. But that again, he had complained about Perez a few laps earlier, so perhaps he could have known.

Either way, Perez went totally overboard. Monaco is not about being aggressive, it is about being intelligent. Perez has got a lot to learn. The speed is there though.

wolfhound · 26 May 2013, 16:34 (Ref:3253517)

Grosjean has been handed a 10 place grid penalty for Canada for his clash with Ricciardo.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107691

No surprise there but I wonder will there be more joining him.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 26 May 2013, 16:52 (Ref:3253520)

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Originally Posted by beau1

If there had been Armco or a wall there then the drivers would take the corner with nowhere near the amount of speed they do today. Actually, the whole entry to the corner would change and taking away any chance of making an overtake. It would be much more like Swimming Pool if there was a barrier there or if it was moved closer to the apex.

I'm not talking about changing the apex but the presence of some sort of barrier, which would prevent being crowded off the track. The reason Perez could make that move is because the other diver can use the run off.

As for Perez and his overtaking, I thought Johnny Herbert summed it up perfectly.

beau1 · 26 May 2013, 17:01 (Ref:3253525)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I'm not talking about changing the apex but the presence of some sort of barrier, which would prevent being crowded off the track. The reason Perez could make that move is because the other diver can use the run off.

As for Perez and his overtaking, I thought Johnny Herbert summed it up perfectly.

The other driver can use the run off or alternatively slow down and slot in behind if the positon is lost. Isn't that what would happen if there was Armco there?

I missed the end of the footage, what did Herbert say?

broadrun96 · 26 May 2013, 17:05 (Ref:3253526)

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Originally Posted by wolfhound

Grosjean has been handed a 10 place grid penalty for Canada for his clash with Ricciardo.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107691

No surprise there but I wonder will there be more joining him.

I'm surprised given his history he wasn't sat for the weekend. But then I've been a fan of a points system with suspensions at a threshold, and no I haven't thought it through enough to develop a plan just the idea. And yes, it would be hard to balance and still up to the judgement of the stewards.

beau1 · 26 May 2013, 17:11 (Ref:3253529)

Ultimately Perez left Alonso with three choices.
A. Make contact
B. Skip the chicane
C. Admit he's been outmanuvoered and slot in behind.

Alonso took the option that gave him the best advantage which gave the stewards a reason to penalise him.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 26 May 2013, 17:20 (Ref:3253535)

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Originally Posted by beau1

The other driver can use the run off or alternatively slow down and slot in behind if the positon is lost. Isn't that what would happen if there was Armco there?

That didn't happen with Alonso and definitely not with Raikkonen, especially the second time.

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Originally Posted by beau1

I missed the end of the footage, what did Herbert say?

He basically said that Perez had found an overtake that worked but with each attempt became overly confident and that the second Raikkonen incident was due to Perez attempting the move way too late, as Raikkonen had moved significantly across the track and that Perez needed to calm down.

Knowlesy · 26 May 2013, 17:29 (Ref:3253540)

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Originally Posted by beau1

Ultimately Perez left Alonso with three choices.
A. Make contact
B. Skip the chicane
C. Admit he's been outmanuvoered and slot in behind.

Alonso took the option that gave him the best advantage which gave the stewards a reason to penalise him.

It's the Schumacher years all over again. Move over or we crash.

Great racing.

Knowlesy · 26 May 2013, 17:29 (Ref:3253541)

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfhound

Grosjean has been handed a 10 place grid penalty for Canada for his clash with Ricciardo.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107691

No surprise there but I wonder will there be more joining him.

I don't think we will be seeing Grosjean in Canada.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 26 May 2013, 17:32 (Ref:3253543)

Quote:

Originally Posted by beau1

Ultimately Perez left Alonso with three choices.
A. Make contact
B. Skip the chicane
C. Admit he's been outmanuvoered and slot in behind.

Alonso took the option that gave him the best advantage which gave the stewards a reason to penalise him.

I don't think Alonso had any choice but to use the run off, he had committed himself. Yep, maybe he should have crashed into Perez.

IceMan_PJN · 26 May 2013, 17:38 (Ref:3253549)

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Originally Posted by canamman

Way to go Sutil.

Do a dive bomb Lewis.

I sort of expected his patience to wear thin and make a desperate move on Webber. He was faster than the Red Bulls but couldn't get around the red and blue rolling chicanes.

GTE · 26 May 2013, 17:51 (Ref:3253552)

Quote:

Originally Posted by beau1

Ultimately Perez left Alonso with three choices.
A. Make contact
B. Skip the chicane
C. Admit he's been outmanuvoered and slot in behind.

Alonso took the option that gave him the best advantage which gave the stewards a reason to penalise him.

How on earth should Alonso put option C into practice? He would have to bring the Ferrari to a hold, blocking the chicane altogether.

beau1 · 26 May 2013, 18:09 (Ref:3253562)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

It's the Schumacher years all over again. Move over or we crash.

Great racing.

The margins are so fine at Monaco that this has to be the case. Sutil made some great clean moves but the other cars equally avoided contact.

Even if attacking driver is completely over-the-top it still means the defender has a responsibility to avoid contact and abide by the rules.

beau1 · 26 May 2013, 18:14 (Ref:3253565)

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Originally Posted by GTE

How on earth should Alonso put option C into practice? He would have to bring the Ferrari to a hold, blocking the chicane altogether.

It is still an option though. He had lost track position and if there was Armco there then he would have hit it if he didnt slow down. Whether or not the move would have been tried if there was Armco is the other debate.

werner · 26 May 2013, 18:18 (Ref:3253567)

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Originally Posted by jsTrecu

Good race for Vettel too, I'm happy he prooved at the end how they've all been lapping more than 2 seconds slower than the real pace to preserve this useless tyres.

If Vettel was able to casually do a recordlap with such an advantage, than he could have used his rubber as wel to put a bit of pressure on Rosberg. That would have been better for the race, and improving his chances on a win. I thought is was at least a bit unprofessional.

Richard C · 26 May 2013, 18:30 (Ref:3253571)

Anyone have opinions as to what was going on with Massa? Two nearly identical accidents in two days. Mechanical or mental?

Richard

airbusA346 · 26 May 2013, 18:48 (Ref:3253579)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

Anyone have opinions as to what was going on with Massa? Two nearly identical accidents in two days. Mechanical or mental?

Richard

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107707

GTE · 26 May 2013, 19:44 (Ref:3253616)

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Originally Posted by beau1

It is still an option though. He had lost track position and if there was Armco there then he would have hit it if he didnt slow down. Whether or not the move would have been tried if there was Armco is the other debate.

Not once lost Alonso trackposition against Perez. That only happened because he was told to do so by the stewards.

**Aysedasi** · 26 May 2013, 19:46 (Ref:3253618)

Perez blames Raikkonen.

That's so hilarious Michael McIntyre ought to include it in his next set..........

**Aysedasi** · 26 May 2013, 19:47 (Ref:3253621)

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Originally Posted by Scooter185

You can make things happen, watch things happen.

Or just crash into them.

GTE · 26 May 2013, 19:51 (Ref:3253624)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Or just crash into them.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 26 May 2013, 19:52 (Ref:3253625)

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Originally Posted by airbusA346

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107707

I thought it was something to do with the left front, it appeared to do more than just lock and produced a lot more smoke than I'd expect from a lock up. It was as if something broke, while with yesterday's crash both fronts clearly locked up.

GTE · 26 May 2013, 21:08 (Ref:3253665)

maybe Perez can take notice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxTgZ...ature=youtu.be

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