MSNZ & TMC - 'Wheels start to come off' - Page 9

on_to_it · 27 Jul 2012, 11:21 (Ref:3112056)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Nah, off the mark mate,

Nah, I won't rise to the bait GB...

How's your old man?

Goat Boy · 28 Jul 2012, 05:54 (Ref:3112439)

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Originally Posted by on_to_it

Nah, I won't rise to the bait GB...

How's your old man?

Apparently he didn't get shot at, so that's a relief...

smokin'joe · 28 Jul 2012, 09:12 (Ref:3112486)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Apparently he didn't get shot at, so that's a relief...

thank christ for that.

even ex-officials from NZDA mistake thier target at less than 17metres.

on_to_it · 28 Jul 2012, 10:31 (Ref:3112519)

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Originally Posted by smokin'joe

even ex-officials from NZDA mistake thier target at less than 17metres.

Are we talking deer stalkers or dentists (I can guess but google it anyway)

smokin'joe · 28 Jul 2012, 10:39 (Ref:3112525)

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Originally Posted by on_to_it

Are we talking deer stalkers or dentists (I can guess but google it anyway)

if an ex-officail of nz deerstalkers, can't identify his target (on the err of caution) at 17m, there jack-all hope for 'goatboys' fathers antics...........sad but true

Jerico · 28 Jul 2012, 11:18 (Ref:3112553)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Apparently he didn't get shot at, so that's a relief...

The last time I saw your old boy he was getting in to a car with Maxi. I think he said they were going to the YMCA??

Goat Boy · 29 Jul 2012, 01:18 (Ref:3112989)

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Originally Posted by Jerico

The last time I saw your old boy he was getting in to a car with Maxi. I think he said they were going to the YMCA??

I thought he was still on the run over in the States...

Jerico · 29 Jul 2012, 03:12 (Ref:3113006)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

I thought he was still on the run over in the States...

GB when have we ever let the facts get in the way of a good story on this site?

Goat Boy · 29 Jul 2012, 10:11 (Ref:3113141)

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Originally Posted by Jerico

GB when have we ever let the facts get in the way of a good story on this site?

Good point...

Icarus_nz · 30 Jul 2012, 02:44 (Ref:3113514)

Back on topic...

One of the stumbling blocks to kissing and making up with classes that have 'broken away' is that the decision has been made to revert to a 'summer series' format last seen 15+ years ago.

Argue the pros and cons of having a compact series jammed into 2 1/2 months as you will. (I'm sure it best suits Toyota who import their seat fillers.)

For domestic motorsport to be recognised as mainstream sport it requires year round visibility.
Since the target has always been to attract large sponsors that genuinely aim to get value from motorsport as a promotional activity, it requires events spread throughout the year.
By keeping a trickle of information flowing the fans remained interested and engaged.

I agree with much of what Greg L has said (not all). I believe that as a gentleman who has seriously put his money where his mouth is over the many years of his involvement we shouldn't ignore him out of hand.

Do motorsport fans actually care if something is oficially sanctioned and the winner is a national champion?
My belief is that quality entertainment is the greater appeal.

Championship classes can be good entertainment but good entertainment doesn't need to be a championship.

RogerH · 30 Jul 2012, 03:11 (Ref:3113517)

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Originally Posted by Icarus_nz

Back on topic...

One of the stumbling blocks to kissing and making up with classes that have 'broken away' is that the decision has been made to revert to a 'summer series' format last seen 15+ years ago.

Argue the pros and cons of having a compact series jammed into 2 1/2 months as you will. (I'm sure it best suits Toyota who import their seat fillers.)

For domestic motorsport to be recognised as mainstream sport it requires year round visibility.
Since the target has always been to attract large sponsors that genuinely aim to get value from motorsport as a promotional activity, it requires events spread throughout the year.
By keeping a trickle of information flowing the fans remained interested and engaged.

I agree with much of what Greg L has said (not all). I believe that as a gentleman who has seriously put his money where his mouth is over the many years of his involvement we shouldn't ignore him out of hand.

Do motorsport fans actually care if something is oficially sanctioned and the winner is a national champion?
My belief is that quality entertainment is the greater appeal.

Championship classes can be good entertainment but good entertainment doesn't need to be a championship.

I wouldn't be surprised if the people who find MSNZ Championships most important are those who get dressed up in their fancy clothes once a year and hand out or receive the trophies.

The on-track and off-track spectators probably don't place much importance on Championship status - they would rather see a good grid with close competitive racing.

At the moment MSNZ seem fixated with Tier 1 and it's Gold Star Championship status even though this means dishing out some sparse grids of mediocre quality.

Icarus_nz · 30 Jul 2012, 05:42 (Ref:3113538)

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Originally Posted by RogerH

At the moment MSNZ seem fixated with Tier 1 and it's Gold Star Championship status even though this means dishing out some sparse grids of mediocre quality.

Scarely meeting the needs of the bulk of its membership is it?
Like all companies, they need to focus on their core business

harcey · 30 Jul 2012, 07:09 (Ref:3113562)

i have it on very good authority that one K cooper and one M fine are as of today no longer part of MSP(TMC).....anouncement tomorrow morning apparently....
finally...but is it too late........and what of mr G Short, is he still there?????.

promax · 30 Jul 2012, 07:25 (Ref:3113569)

interesting

smokin'joe · 30 Jul 2012, 07:25 (Ref:3113570)

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Originally Posted by harcey

i have it on very good authority that one K cooper and one M fine are as of today no longer part of MSP(TMC).....anouncement tomorrow morning apparently....
finally...but is it too late........and what of mr G Short, is he still there?????.

last one out, please turn the heater and the lights off

smokin'joe · 30 Jul 2012, 07:36 (Ref:3113573)

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Originally Posted by harcey

finally...but is it too late........and what of mr G Short, is he still there?????.

yes, four seasons too late. all they have managed in the last few years is greater entry costs , and less on track, for both spectators and competitors, and now they have left.............. what a c#$k-up

harcey · 30 Jul 2012, 07:49 (Ref:3113576)

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Originally Posted by smokin'joe

yes, four seasons too late. all they have managed in the last few years is greater entry costs , and less on track, for both spectators and competitors, and now they have left.............. what a c#$k-up

Joe.entry costs have been rising for way longer than 4 years...i know,ive paid my share.....gate costs havent really changed too much...quality of racing has tho......
Cock up ...i dont think so...can only be good long term...they all aren't dodgy.....plenty of good heads out there who dont get a chance with old boys network....STILL GOT THE ISSUE OF EVENT DIRECTOR AND HIS CRONIES THO,IMO...thats still a big un adressed issue in itself..

Vanishing Point · 30 Jul 2012, 07:57 (Ref:3113581)

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Originally Posted by harcey

Joe.entry costs have been rising for way longer than 4 years...i know,ive paid my share.....gate costs havent really changed too much...quality of racing has tho......
Cock up ...i dont think so...can only be good long term...they all aren't dodgy.....plenty of good heads out there who dont get a chance with old boys network....STILL GOT THE ISSUE OF EVENT DIRECTOR AND HIS CRONIES THO,IMO...thats still a big un adressed issue in itself..

Wonder who made the decision.. MSNZ/Harris or MSP/Faulk?

harcey · 30 Jul 2012, 08:10 (Ref:3113584)

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Originally Posted by Vanishing Point

Wonder who made the decision.. MSNZ/Harris or MSP/Faulk?

would have to be the latter....... mr S harris may still be hiding in his cupboard so as not to have to face all this and make a call.....IMO

smokin'joe · 30 Jul 2012, 08:10 (Ref:3113585)

so why didn't they quit before the s*#t hit the fan??
then we would have the ONE V8 class that was meant to be, and aligned to AVSC, instead of a fractionalised mess that we currently have.

RogerH · 30 Jul 2012, 08:16 (Ref:3113587)

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Originally Posted by Vanishing Point

Wonder who made the decision.. MSNZ/Harris or MSP/Faulk?

Maybe came out of the MSNZ Race Commission strategy meeting held over the weekend?

Vanishing Point · 30 Jul 2012, 08:20 (Ref:3113589)

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Originally Posted by RogerH

Maybe came out of the MSNZ Race Commission strategy meeting held over the weekend?

With Fine gone hopefully we will see some progress in the two factions resolving their issues...maybe Fine going was part of the deal to get things back together.

pukekoheracer · 30 Jul 2012, 09:06 (Ref:3113601)

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Originally Posted by harcey

i have it on very good authority that one K cooper and one M fine are as of today no longer part of MSP(TMC).....anouncement tomorrow morning apparently....
finally...but is it too late........and what of mr G Short, is he still there?????.

Thats a great Start, the rest should follow like lost sheep

Southern Man · 30 Jul 2012, 20:24 (Ref:3113944)

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Originally Posted by Vanishing Point

Wonder who made the decision.. MSNZ/Harris or MSP/Faulk?

Suspect that it was the MSNZ Executive for I don't believe that they would continue to put up with their (and the sports) requests for various actions to be undertaken to be ignored any longer.

RogerH · 1 Aug 2012, 02:33 (Ref:3114497)

Media release from :

MotorSport Promotions Ltd

Evidently Martin Fine and Kerry Cooper have officially gone.

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