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Old 8 Jun 2004, 03:25 (Ref:996844)   #251
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Well done Allen.
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Old 8 Jun 2004, 07:49 (Ref:996961)   #252
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yes well done allen how long did that take you??!!!
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Old 8 Jun 2004, 09:58 (Ref:997062)   #253
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Yes, you're right that it did take a while but the whole thing makes a lot more sense to me than it did when I started. I think the Capoferri cars need a lot more work, as do those odd T292/T282/T284 entities.

Photographs would be a huge help. I can probably get permission to use the pictures from the WSC site and I have linked to 10 Tenths images where I'm confident the copyright belongs to the contributor. But I'm not comfortable using images where we know the copyright belongs to someone else. Jeremy - do you have pictures we can use of the Lord/Auger/Mallock car?

On the subject of more existing than were originally built, I think we have to watch what we say but it's pretty clear something is wrong. Can I suggest we identify the cars where the provenence is unproven and try to learn more about them. In fact, we don't seem to have a full provenance for any of the cars so we might be wrong about which ones are dodgy.

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Old 8 Jun 2004, 10:07 (Ref:997070)   #254
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Allen,

I seemed to skilfully avoid seeing the Lord/Auger/Mallock car at any races I went to! I think Nordic's photo is the only one I've seen that wasn't in either Autosport or MN.

Unfortunately, I agree that I don't think we've got a full provenance for any chassis.
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Old 8 Jun 2004, 10:15 (Ref:997075)   #255
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are they the guys that also raced a 1300 bda skoda saloon gt car in the 80`s i think david drove it s2000 based?
malcolm jouhnstone u mentio is the the special saloon driver from notts derby area or another i believe there was a johnson and johnstone racing donngton races early 801s different formulas i recall
any ideas guys?
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Old 8 Jun 2004, 10:20 (Ref:997079)   #256
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Yes that's the family. The Autosport article showed the Mirage-BRM & the Lola in one pic, and David's Skoda was another pic. Malcolm Johnstone was a sometime-Skoda driver aswell. At the time of Autosports' article (March 81) they were still deciding whether to sell the Skoda...
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Old 8 Jun 2004, 10:50 (Ref:997107)   #257
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I remember the Auger Skoda as being the first car, IIRC, being built on a S2000 tub (T492 I think) rather than a 2-litre G6 one. Little actual difference I realise, but showed the way the world was going at the time. It was also, I think, the first 1300cc Skoda.

Malcolm Johnstone was a good racer I saw from late 70s to early 80s. Didn't he have a 1-litre Mini, then Imp, then Skoda? From Lowdham, near Notts, i recall. Does he do anything now ?
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Old 9 Jun 2004, 16:47 (Ref:998651)   #258
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just finished the Allen histories, wow ....what can I say !

Couple of points, though not much help with the mysteries I'm afraid. First 'GRS' as seen in the Zaborowski pics was I think Gunther Richter Sport, who built a one-off F2 car in about 1981-82, with little success as I recall. Similar sort of team to the Brutschins/Gebhardts, German privateers mainly doing the German F2 races only.

Second, how often did the Augers race their T280 ? I can't remember it out much at all in early 80s, the odd Libre race perhaps, Donington Open type things ?
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Old 9 Jun 2004, 17:06 (Ref:998684)   #259
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The only time I know Auger raced it was at a Donington Open event in April 1981, but he may have done a few more that year.
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Old 14 Jul 2004, 07:49 (Ref:1036111)   #260
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for the next Le Mans Classic event are enterred these two cars :
from Equipe Europe (Y Mahé) a T280 car of 1972 and a T286 of 1976 from USA (Skidmore) . I think this is the car of Jeremy's picture 26 May 2004 .
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Old 23 Jul 2004, 19:11 (Ref:1044946)   #261
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gentlemen,

i came this day from LE MANS CLASSIC with marvellous cars.

I saw the LOLA T286 of SKIDMORE/LEONARD

and i could saw the chassis plate:T 286 HU 286/7.

delivered 11/03/76.
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Old 23 Jul 2004, 20:27 (Ref:1045020)   #262
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more about the car:24H DU MANS:
1976 :LAPEYRE/CHEVANNES
1977: PERRIER/LAPEYRE
1979:CHEVALLEY/LAPEYRE/PERRIER
1980:GAILLARD/CHEVALLEY/TRISCONI
1981:CHEVALLEY/GAILLARD/SOTY
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Old 23 Jul 2004, 20:32 (Ref:1045030)   #263
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Thanks for the confirmation Gerard, I think it's LM history is as we thought. Nice to have the chassis confirmed.
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Old 5 Aug 2004, 22:01 (Ref:1057576)   #264
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gentlemen,

i came this day from LE MANS CLASSIC with marvellous cars.

I saw the LOLA T286 of SKIDMORE/LEONARD

and i could saw the chassis plate:T 286 HU 286/7.

delivered 11/03/76.
I guess from the fact that you don't mention it that the car of Yvan Mahe was not there?
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Old 6 Aug 2004, 06:55 (Ref:1057844)   #265
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The T286 / 7 was Skidmore car and the Y Mahé car was the ex
Schultess T284 LM 1974 and 1975 .This car was by Heini Mader (ex Bonnier team in Gland Switzerland ) in 1974 builded . Y Mahé tolled to me that T284 is not Lola chassis
number , the car was builded with spares from 1972 Jo Bo's
T280 . The chassis number is T280/4 HU02 !!!!
Its for me difficult to believe but that seem to be coherent...
what do you think about ?
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Old 6 Aug 2004, 07:35 (Ref:1057865)   #266
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Alain,

Well that answers why Schulthess' car didn't really seem to fit anywhere... To his credit, Michael did suggest that this may be the case (See Allen's helpful page!)
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Old 6 Aug 2004, 15:29 (Ref:1058395)   #267
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thanks Jeremy for reply , I just visited Allen's pages very good job!
I will be absent for some days and will try when I will be back to place on this forum some of my pictures from LM classic
bye bye
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Old 7 Aug 2004, 15:13 (Ref:1059381)   #268
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The T286 / 7 was Skidmore car and the Y Mahé car was the ex
Schultess T284 LM 1974 and 1975 .This car was by Heini Mader (ex Bonnier team in Gland Switzerland ) in 1974 builded . Y Mahé tolled to me that T284 is not Lola chassis
number , the car was builded with spares from 1972 Jo Bo's
T280 . The chassis number is T280/4 HU02 !!!!
Its for me difficult to believe but that seem to be coherent...
what do you think about ?
Interesting. So what is the car in the Rosso Bianco museum then? The ex-Jauslin chassis? It's a while since I've read the thread, so I think I need to go through it again as even I am getting confused now!

Also, Fox Motorsports were advertising T280 HU02 in Motor Sports and this is a totally different car, it is in the US, I believe. So this puts a question mark over the Mahe car, especially given what I have been told about when it was built and how...

Would be interesting to see the pictures from the LM Classic.
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Old 7 Aug 2004, 15:46 (Ref:1059392)   #269
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Just watched the LM Classic on MotorsTV, and while there weren't any close-ups, there were a couple of shots of Mahé's car during racing - it was plain yellow, with T280 type bodywork. Hopefully Alain's photos will show it better.

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Old 7 Aug 2004, 15:55 (Ref:1059395)   #270
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ACO Photos

If you know the number of the car you are looking for the ACO has all the pictures in order.
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Old 7 Aug 2004, 17:18 (Ref:1059455)   #271
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Thanks Nordic! To help anyone interested, Mahé was no. 57.
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Old 9 Aug 2004, 09:26 (Ref:1060808)   #272
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damn i wish i had this thread before i went to old timer i took pics of Maher car but didnt se ethe plate
partly cos i didnt go out iof my way to see it and body was not removed
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Old 9 Aug 2004, 15:57 (Ref:1061176)   #273
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ACO Photos

If you know the number of the car you are looking for the ACO has all the pictures in order.
Oh yeah, just peachy: no photos of car 30!!!! (the Skidmore T286). However, there are plenty of pics of the Mahe car, including a 'body off' shot of it in one of the 'Ambiance' sections, looking very shiny and NEW :-)

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Old 16 Aug 2004, 07:23 (Ref:1067817)   #274
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hello
about Y Mahé car I did'nt see chassis plate but Y van show me FIA agrement to race with all technicals infos , so I confirm chassis number T280 / 4 HU02 .This car was not by LOLA factory builded but in H Mader factory for H Schultess .I own pictures of LM 1974 the car was #28 ,the roll over hoop bar seem to bee exactly the same than Y Mahé car ....
About C Fox car maybe its a replica ? chassis T280 HU02 was destroyed after Jo Bonnier accident ....
IMPOSSIBLE TO ME TO ATTACH PICTURES !!!
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 11:16 (Ref:1069152)   #275
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Do we know for sure that it was HU02 that was destroyed in Bonnier's accident. I thought that was probable but that it was still possible that it was HU01 that was destroyed?

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