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Old 2 Oct 2003, 12:28 (Ref:737917)   #51
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The Wilds RT1-72 went to Ian Briggs in '79. I haven't traced it after that (partly because I haven't done UK 1980 races at all yet). However, I did make a start on '81. The Catlow RT1 is described as ex Rob Turnbull in 1980, so presumably a hillclimb car. I think Turnbull was using this in '79 and I guess it might be the ex McDowell car
RT1-2 ex Larry Perkins.
The other interesting British RT1 is that of Richard Hawkins in 1981. This is an ex Theodore Racing car, winner of Macau in '76 and '79 so it must be RT1-9. Wonder where it went post Hawkins.

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Do you know anything about the Brabham BT38 or the March 712M raced by Kim and his brother Mike earlier in the '70s?

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Old 2 Oct 2003, 15:57 (Ref:738183)   #52
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I vaguely recall the Turnbull car as being new to him for the hills in 1976-77(?). The MacDowell car was one of the very early ones I think, but now you mention it I think you're right, Catlow's was ex-Turnbull. Didn't the MacDowell one become the Coogar, that our Irish friend used to own.

I'd forgotten the Hawkins Ralt, quite old for '81, but he wnat well as I remember, pretty fast chap in FF and F3 in the mid-70s.

Did the Bernard Hunter RT1 go to NZ after David Duffield ? Hunter also had a Chevron or 2, and a March 80A that Manfred Winklehock wrote off I believe while 'helping' Bernard sort it !!

As for Kim's brothers Brabham, don't know I'm afraid, I'm not in touch with him at present, but I do have a mutual contact who I'm keen to get together with Kim for a pint, so I could ask the man then. Did the 712 become Kim's variously titled 742/75B/'bitza' March, I guess it may well have in those heady days of 70s March chassis.

BTW do you remember Mike/Kim had a BRM P153 about 1974-75, I recall he told me once it had a Ford engine.

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Old 2 Oct 2003, 16:07 (Ref:738188)   #53
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The Hunter RT1-145 went off to Australia for Charlie O'Brien and then Ron Barnacle. I think it's still there.

Didn't know about Hunter's 80A but haven't got to 1980.

I don't think the 712M made it into the '742' because Mike bent it pretty thoroughly and went and bought the Graham Eden Chevron B18C. I suspect that the 722 he bought for 1973 went into the 742 but that car I can trace.

I think that somewhere I even have the chassis number of that BRM and have seen pics of Kim driving it at Aintree. By Ford do you mean they put a BDA in it? Could it move? [not that the chassis was overweight..]

The McDowell RT1 was definitely ex Larrykins RT1 the Euro championship winning car RT1-2.

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Old 2 Oct 2003, 17:54 (Ref:738300)   #54
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Mather drove David Taylor's P153-04 in 1973 and early 1974 with an old 2-valve BRM V12 in it. I don't think this BRM ever had a Ford V8 in it but it went from Taylor to Bobby Bell and I know Bell's previous BRM (a P83) had a Ford V8 in it. That's probably where the Ford confusion comes from.

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Old 2 Oct 2003, 17:55 (Ref:738302)   #55
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Just noticed it had a Hewland 'box in it - the whole lot was prepared by David Wood Engineering.

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Old 24 Oct 2003, 13:24 (Ref:761906)   #56
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I spoke to Kim recently, he confirms the BRM did have a BRM engine, not a Ford.

As a separate issue Chris, if you've looked at 80 UK Atlantic, what happened to Nick Adams March 80A. I think it stayed here for 81, with Carlos Ulibarri, but don't know after that. Also I don't remember where Hunters 80A went to. Downunder/Far East ??
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Old 27 Oct 2003, 09:58 (Ref:764336)   #57
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Under the March 772 thread i mentioned that the Scheckter March 79A stayed in SAfrica .However,the other two 79's that came here,being 79B's for Klomfass and Van Rooyen ,both returned to the UK during 1980.They would both have been in tobacco sponsers colours,similar to the Scheckter car.Maybe one of these 2 turned up with Andy Barton.
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Old 27 Oct 2003, 13:09 (Ref:764514)   #58
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Ian, thanks for that info, it could well be that one of these is the Barton car. What do you reckon Chris ?

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Old 28 Oct 2003, 17:28 (Ref:765923)   #59
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The Nick Adams March 80A came to Ireland. The last time I saw it it had it's original radiator and wide nose fitted. Pity... it looked great with the F2 nose and wings. I dont know if it's still here. More on this to come...

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Old 29 Oct 2003, 00:40 (Ref:766372)   #60
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Think Tommy Reid may have it now. He's got two of them......One is ex-Pauraic Mooney. The other ? Could be the Adams car.
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Old 30 Oct 2003, 13:43 (Ref:768067)   #61
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I wonder where the Mooney car came from ? Was it from US/Far East, or maybe the ex-Hunter car? I think only 2 80As were in the UK when new, one Adams/Uliburri had, the other Bernard Hunter.

Separate matter for Chris T. I saw Kim briefly this morning, he said his brother's March was the ex-Graham Coaker 712, the one the other directors gave him to avoid paying him out in cash ! Coaker was killed in this at Silverstone (the Lawrence March book), and Mike Mather bought it from his widow. Kim said the first thing they did was repaint it from green into yellow !!!

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Old 30 Oct 2003, 13:53 (Ref:768082)   #62
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Thanks for the info about the Coaker car. I'd found a note which said it was ex Coaker/Santo and couldn't find a way of fitting Clive Santo into that particular equation. Do we know what happened to that car? Mike has a shunt in it at the second Yellow Pages round of 1973 and then appears with the ex Calvert 722 [29] in future. Was that shunt terminal for the car or did bits of it wind up in the 742?
Incidentally, the Coaker car can only have been one of four [unless March knocked it up as a special no number job]. Does 712-12; 22; 23; 24 ring any bells?

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Old 30 Oct 2003, 14:59 (Ref:768144)   #63
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Sorry no idea re the 712 no, a bit before my time! I'll ask Kim when we next speak, as I'm back in touch with him now after 20 odd years ! I lent him the David Gordon-Chevron book, which he hadn't been aware of. Makes you think of the differences between us 'anoraks' and those who really do it. Kim looked great, hadn't changed in the time that I last saw him, Mallory 81.
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Old 13 Nov 2003, 17:26 (Ref:782232)   #64
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Any more info on the Irish March 80As, you mentioned before that Tommy Reid has 2 of them.
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Sorry to be a pain, are you any nearer on the various Barton cars. I was looking at a GT race in a prog earlier, and saw he won in his AC3000 that was based, I think, on his ex-Kim/Roy Baker March 802. While I remember, Roy Baker is entered in 79 UK Atlantic in a "March 752/77P", any ideas ???
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Old 14 Nov 2003, 00:17 (Ref:782679)   #66
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Sorry Dan,
I've had my eye off the ball. Will check tomorrow, along with the Bill Gowdy query from the RT1 thread.
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Old 17 Nov 2003, 16:27 (Ref:786145)   #67
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Did you see my comments on Irish Chevrons on the "other Chevrons" thread ? A few odd B42s I wonder if you know anything about.

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Old 25 Nov 2003, 04:44 (Ref:793538)   #68
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Rather belated response to the summer discussion of a Ralt RT1 supposedly with CanAm/Cicale/BuickV6 history.

As Allen mentioned that was Mike Freberg's #33 car in hte CanAm series. It originally ran with a Hart engine and then the V6 - according to entry lists. Any reference to Cicale bodies should be viewed with caution - seems to me that almost any full width body with almost any ground effect tunnels was called a Cicale.

As for the pics posted showing the car in Ireland in May 2003 - do cars actually compete in such rough condition? The body looked nicelt painted but the chassis looks terrible. Also The "big brakes" refered to were normal on slightly later Atlantics. My 1976 Lola T460 originally came with such calipers and vented rotors but by the time I bought it it had AS calipers and solid rotors as used by RT1s - obviously swapped at some stage. In fact the Hewland FT200 is marked Ralt RT1 - wonder if my Lola and the Freberg Ralt swapped gearboxes and brakes at some time??? Just kidding - but it could have happened.
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I see the ref. to Lola T460.

Col Haste has a thread going on these cars, perhaps you may be able to assist.

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Old 28 Nov 2003, 14:49 (Ref:797168)   #70
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Did you get anywhere with the Gowdy RT1 and the Tommy Reid Atlantic Marches ???

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Old 28 Nov 2003, 15:20 (Ref:797187)   #71
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On Irish RT1s, Alo had 2 I believe. The ex-Cheever F2 car that he raced a couple of times only in 78 with a Hart engine. He then got the Lola T760 for '79, didn't like it. From early 80 to mid 80, when he got the RT4, he had the ex-Mallock Atlantic RT1, I think an ex-Italian F2 chassis. I think, Richard/Dave will know better, this went to Tom O'Leary after. So what happened to the ex-Cheever 76-77 car ??
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Old 28 Nov 2003, 20:03 (Ref:797443)   #72
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Yes Bill Gowdy is on holiday at present but I will speak to him (hopefully) over the w/e. Regarding Tommys cars, I think I will have to pay a visit......
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RE. The Ralt RT1 supposedly with CanAm/Cicale/BuickV6 history.

Yeah... It looks a bit rough. Those photographs were taken on it's first outing this century! The B42 nose was as a result of contact that morning. Good RT1 FA noses are hard to come by at the moment. A lot of work has been done on it since.

Again, any ideas what it was before it was can-amalized? Did Mike Freberg build it or buy it complete?

March 80A... Mooney's 80A was the ex Adams one with the 802 chisel nose and radiators fitted in the sidepods.

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Old 10 Dec 2003, 20:41 (Ref:808654)   #74
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We don't know for sure it was the Freberg car - that speculation based on the V6 engine.

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It is the Freberg car.

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