Bad Fuel... (merged)

[chezza]

Hi guys the following was posted by a friend on another forum...just thought i'd give you a warning:

Keep your fuel recipts people, there is a bad batch of fuel at the moment, not pinned down to a single station brand.

For example 7 cars booked in today for poor running, all turned out to be upstream O2 sensors getting nuked.
Confirmed by Renault back ordered O2 sensors.......none left!
Renault site in London confirmed also that up to 12 cars with O2 sensor faults were booked in too.

Not just Renault either (so no poopy comments about quality)

Main problem will be, once the O2 sensor is changed, tank still contains bad fuel (O2 sensor goes again), will need fuel to flush, so where do you go when the fuel is duff?

Prices will probably hike to offset loss, COOL!

Early warnings, so keep 'em peeled.

[dj choc ice]

thanks for that, its times like this im happy i have a 106 1.1 which sips fuel instead of drinking it.

any idea what petrol stations this is down to i.e BP, shell, texaco etc etc.

and which area if there is one?

[chezza]

Well initially they were saying it was Tescos and Morrisons in the south east but there are reports all over the country I think.

More can be found:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6405051.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6405701.stm

[Suze]

BBC News 24 at sixish were saying it was Tescos and Morrisons all over the country.

[dj choc ice]

well not much surprise brand wise, i would never put tesco and morrisons fuel in my car, only BP, shell, texaco or maybe total.

[Tim Falce]

dj choc, do you think there is any difference between thse Tesco, Morrisons, BP, Shell or any other petrol, it all comes out the ground and ends up in one big tank at a distribution centre.

[Suze]

Broadly speaking yes - talk to the fuel guys eg at ATL, the fuel cell people - places like Tescos put 10% ethanol in their fuel whereas places like BP etc don't.

[chezza]

Well I heard a report on the radio tonight that the think the contaminant might be silicone...

[Suze]

The ethanol might not be causing theses problem now but they do do it anyway.

The last BBC report I saw said the affected retailers said they'd done their tests and they were coming up with nothing (including testing the tanks at distribution centres and affected people's cars) - who / where thinks it might be silicone then?

[chezza]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6409025.stm

[garcon]

The liability for this could be huge. I'd be denying there was any contamination too if I was the petrol distributor/retailer.

[Suze]

There must be some independent governing body or whatever though that steps in at some point and does the tests (if they're not the ones doing the testing already).

[chezza]

Yes it'll be trading standards...

[Suze]

I would presume there'd be a regulation authority for the petrol companies as well as Trading Standards though.

[Adam43]

Trading Standards covers it. It is what it for. They do regular checks on petrol stations to ensure that all the relevant regulations are adhereed to.

Trading Standards have many different experts and can call on even more experts for every aspect of trading!
e.g. http://www.durham.gov.uk/durhamcc/us...ding+Standards

[Dave Brand]

Originally Posted by chezza

contaminant might be silicone...

Silicon!

[Suze]

Having had a search think BSI cover some as well.

Searching back on here there's an interesting old thread re Tesco fuel talking about the ethanol etc as well. Also had a look at the Greenergy site and some of their product specifications but not all links seem to be working

[chezza]

Thanks for that Dave...I realised but it was too late to edit!

[devon kev]

Is this for real or just a hate campaign against supermarket service stations by other fuel suppliers

[Adam43]

What do you mean? Have all these cars not broken down?

[Sheila M]

Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

What do you mean? Have all these cars not broken down?

Or is it that people are jumping on the bandwagon?

[blackx]

Originally Posted by dj choc ice

well not much surprise brand wise, i would never put tesco and morrisons fuel in my car, only BP, shell, texaco or maybe total.

Both our cars run on Morrisons fuel and run very nicely indeed thankyou

Admitedly it is diesel but Morrisons all the same



All the fuel in a certain area will come from the same storage facility..

I worked for a while at Kingsbury and they all pull fuel out of there...

[JimW]

Originally Posted by Dave Brand

Silicon!

I think it is a silicone compound they are talking about. See http://www.silcheminc.com/products.html for examples.

I agree that it is probably the breakdown of these silicones into silicon dioxide on the oxygen sensor which is being implicated as the actual problem.

Regards

Jim

[Dave Brand]

Originally Posted by JimW

I think it is a silicone compound they are talking about. See http://www.silcheminc.com/products.html for examples.

Agreed, but in the original report silicon was specifically mentioned - not silicones!

......and I'm not totally unfamiliar with Silchem's products!

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by Suze

Broadly speaking yes - talk to the fuel guys eg at ATL, the fuel cell people - places like Tescos put 10% ethanol in their fuel whereas places like BP etc don't.

Buncefield Depot anyone? Shell, BP, Tesco et al. So I wonder, where does the ethylene go in other than at the refinery?

I once repaired an ethylene pipeline for Conoco in Hull.