[WEC] Toyota LMP1 Discussion

[DistortedSmile]

Originally Posted by carbon_titanium

http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/hum...t-sur-twitter/

[Articus]

Originally Posted by TF110

Anyway, meanwhile on twitter...

http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/hum...t-sur-twitter/

I guess the irony here is that the Toyota makes some of the most reliable road cars ever...and well Audi..let's just say the same cannot be said for them.

Audi can build high tech racecars that can do 24-36 hours flatout reliably but this doesn't seem to translate to their road car programme

[TF110]

I think I was misquoted But, Audi had to change their turbo's. Toyota 'didn't last' from an FIA sensor and Lapierre crashing. Nothing from their car mechanically failed if you get technical. Good joke though!

[TF110]

Motorsport-total have a good interview with Pascal Vasselon. It says they will roll out the car in the next few days with the first full test on the 28th of this month at Aragon. A big difference this year is theyll bring two cars to the tests. This seems like a good idea to get more mileage and better driver familiarity.

[flyingshoppingcart]

Rolling out two cars early is great and all, but I don't see it improving their chances at Le Mans, if they really are only going to run 2 at Le Mans (again).

Until Toyota bosses in Japan get it through their thick ignorant skulls that 3 cars are needed at Le Mans for a decent chance at winning, nothing really will change. Luck plays a big role in Le Mans. All it takes is for one car to have a reliability problem during the 24 hours, and for another car to be damaged/taken out completely by some foolish GT2 driver. Or, for the other car to simply lose time from simple driver error. Then as simple as that their Le Mans is over. All of these things have a high chance of occurring at any given year at Le Mans. However with 3 cars, you could have one suffer reliability issues, the second be taken out by some GT2 jester, and still have a third car on the grid, with a chance at the win.

This is simple statistical fact, and unless Toyota realizes this and puts 3 on the grid in France, then they will continue to artificially limit their own chances at Le Mans.

[TF110]

You dont need 3 cars to win, you only need 1 actually Maybe they surprise and bring a third, if they dont its not the end of the world though.

[Japanese Samurai]

Sera Kota blog features 2015 model TS040 wheel by Rays @Tokyo Auto Salon.
http://serakota.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2015-01-09

[Ephaeton]

Originally Posted by flyingshoppingcart

This is simple statistical fact, and unless Toyota realizes this and puts 3 on the grid in France, then they will continue to artificially limit their own chances at Le Mans.

another simple statistical fact is that the probability to have a failure in your team increases as you add more cars. Which means you have to spread the quality of drivers more...

Stop moaning people, the decision has been made, and only hindsight is 20/20. So let's wait until we can look back to wisely comment: If only they had brought three cars (like Nissan!! who didn't win either, haha!), then ...

[Articus]

Simon Pagenaud in the Corvette for D24??

[TF110]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

Sera Kota blog features 2015 model TS040 wheel by Rays @Tokyo Auto Salon.
http://serakota.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2015-01-09

Great catch. RAYS wheels instead of OZ. Can you translate the article on the explanation of the arrows pointing to the inner part of the wheel and the holes in its face?

[flyingshoppingcart]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

Sera Kota blog features 2015 model TS040 wheel by Rays @Tokyo Auto Salon.
http://serakota.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2015-01-09

Very cool looking wheel, definitely another aero-centered design just as last year's wheel.

Originally Posted by Ephaeton

another simple statistical fact is that the probability to have a failure in your team increases as you add more cars. Which means you have to spread the quality of drivers more...

Stop moaning people, the decision has been made, and only hindsight is 20/20. So let's wait until we can look back to wisely comment: If only they had brought three cars (like Nissan!! who didn't win either, haha!), then ...

Right then, I was wrong, you seem to know the secret to Le Mans then.

I guess Peugeot was wrong when they won Le Mans in 2009 while using 3 factory cars that year. The only team in the last decade that beat Audi at Le Mans utilized 3 factory cars on the grid, but hey, that must have been wrong. I mean it must have been pure coincidence that Peugeot's Le Mans efforts in the previous few years before that utilized 2 cars.

[Pontlieue]

Having an additional car increases the chance of getting at least one of them through the race without major issues, that's true. But the question is if that jutifies the additional resources to run it. And Toyota would rather spend those on making their two cars more competetive.

For example, let's assume that the chance to get a car through the race without major problems is 40%. Then, with two cars, the chance is 64% to get at least one car to the finish without major problems, and with three cars it is 78%. So there's only a 14% chance that the third car makes a difference.

Admittedly, I haven't done any research to justify my 40% assumption, but try it with 30% or 50% and the difference that the third car makes will be similar.

[Japanese Samurai]

Originally Posted by TF110

Great catch. RAYS wheels instead of OZ. Can you translate the article on the explanation of the arrows pointing to the inner part of the wheel and the holes in its face?

1) Drainage hole (just to be safe)
2) Rim slip (during braking/driving) prevention shaped

[Simmi]

Honestly I think trying to put percentages on it is pointless.

If you have a parts issue like Peugeot did in 2010 (which flyingshoppingcart failed to mention) then it doesn't matter how many cars you have. Or if you roll two of them into a ball in the race like Audi in 2011. You can't really prepare for that.

As amazing as this current crop of LMP1s are I don't have a lot of faith in them all having clean runs mechanically. That's before you throw in weather and driver errors. So against that kind of backdrop it's just about having options and giving yourself the best possible chance to stay in the fight.

That's why most manufacturers go with three if they possibly can.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

1) Drainage hole (just to be safe)
2) Rim slip (during braking/driving) prevention shaped

Thank you. Is there anything special about the RAYS wheel vs the OZ from 2014?

[Japanese Samurai]

No comparison. But it says that technical regulations of wheel changed.

[TF110]

That is in regard to the area the spokes cover? No more than 50% iirc?

[Ephaeton]

Originally Posted by flyingshoppingcart

Right then, I was wrong, you seem to know the secret to Le Mans then.

I don't. But probability is just about describing likelihood of events which haven't taken place yet.
Yet some posters here argue as if the event has taken place already and they know its outcome.

Yes, the decreased likelihood to have a front-runner left after 23 hours has been mentioned in
this thread about umpteen times. Can we move on now and return to the subject after the
event has taken place and we know whether toyota wisely saved some bucks and won 1 with
one of their cars, or they ended up with two car failures and then we can argue (actually GUESS)
what MIGHT have happened if they had brought a third car.

I'll leave it at this though. Keep arguing that you cannot win (i.e., P = 0!) Le Mans with two cars if you must.

[wdave0]

Originally Posted by flyingshoppingcart

Very cool looking wheel, definitely another aero-centered design just as last year's wheel.



Right then, I was wrong, you seem to know the secret to Le Mans then.

I guess Peugeot was wrong when they won Le Mans in 2009 while using 3 factory cars that year. The only team in the last decade that beat Audi at Le Mans utilized 3 factory cars on the grid, but hey, that must have been wrong. I mean it must have been pure coincidence that Peugeot's Le Mans efforts in the previous few years before that utilized 2 cars.

They didn't beat Audi until they ran Sebring as warmup.

[TF110]

LM is a special race, not just in meaning but circumstances. Lets be honest, if it werent for Lapierre's questionable driving, the #8 probably would have won. It had no mechanical issues aside from those related to the crash. Thats after the fact the fia sensor failed on the #7. No matter how many cars you have, sometimes you just cant beat luck and stupidity.

[Articus]

[Giba]

While reading this week's autosport, there was a four page advert from Toyota about their WEC championship victory, their history at Le Mans and their hybrid cars.

It's good to see Toyota are advertising their successful season as they should

[TF110]

I hope the wheels shown above stay blue! I could deal with a white and blue Toyota again-

[Giba]

According to Sportscar 365, Toyota have completed a 3 day rest at Ricard with there 2015 spec car.

Article does mention that there will be more information on Jan 30th

http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/t...-test-of-2015/

[Pandemonium]

Toyota trying to eclipse the Formula one unveilings from Mclaren and Ferrari. NOICE :P :P