[Team] US F1

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Fox89

http://www.ferrari.com/English/News/...a_campana.aspx

There it is.

The same article appeared in Racecar Engineering

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/n...a-1-teams.html

I liked the bit about the Serbian vultures picking the bones of Toyota on its death bed.

[GolddustMini]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

The same article appeared in Racecar Engineering

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/n...a-1-teams.html

I liked the bit about the Serbian vultures picking the bones of Toyota on its death bed.

but the money brought in by selling the f1 carcass to the vultures will have brought a lot of accelerator pedals...!

[JamesRamone]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

On the contrary, I would rather see teams who are in the sport for racing, not promoting their brands. Sure, losing BMW, Toyota and Honda does perhaps make F1 lose some of its grandure but as I said, I would rather F1 be full of teams who want to be there and aren't being dictated to by some greedy board who are just waiting to pull the plug then times get tough.

Well said, I totally agree.

[JagtechOhio]

Sodemo, I just read a Mosely speech to constructors from "04, and I believe yours are the same sentiments.

[Amar7605]

Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

It'll be a shame if USF1 don't ultimately make it, but the attitude of some fans and news websites has been against them from the start, with the maximum negaitve spin put on every announcement. No wonder investors have got edgy after that kind of spin.

I have to disagree. For those F1 fans in the US, there was positive support. The problem was that in the past couple of months there was nothing to show the public and that made fans nervous. Meanwhile, teams are launching their cars, and USF1 kept things very secret.

It's only in the past 2 months or so that support has waned, but only because there was nothing to actually support.

Americans know when they are seeing smoke-and-mirrors.

[Sodemo]

Some more USF1 news...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81664

[Dead-Eye]

Originally Posted by Amar7605

I have to disagree. For those F1 fans in the US, there was positive support. The problem was that in the past couple of months there was nothing to show the public and that made fans nervous. Meanwhile, teams are launching their cars, and USF1 kept things very secret.

It's only in the past 2 months or so that support has waned, but only because there was nothing to actually support.

Americans know when they are seeing smoke-and-mirrors.

Exactly. The maximum negative spin started when USF1 started breaking promises and not fulfilling expectations. Before that, there was maybe healthy skepticism, but not much more than with any of the new teams.

[jab]

Nah, there's always been more on US F1. Maybe from some people because of nationality, but I know I was sceptical 1) because of Windsor's past record, 2) because they were starting from scratch, and 3) because when it was announced, there was no budget cap so it seemed unrealistic that a team could be competitive on such a small budget

But it does seem that Hurley isn't going to Campos

[vin13]

Originally Posted by Amar7605

I have to disagree. For those F1 fans in the US, there was positive support. The problem was that in the past couple of months there was nothing to show the public and that made fans nervous. Meanwhile, teams are launching their cars, and USF1 kept things very secret.

It's only in the past 2 months or so that support has waned, but only because there was nothing to actually support.

Americans know when they are seeing smoke-and-mirrors.

My sentiment exactly.

[deletraz]

Originally Posted by jab

Nah, there's always been more on US F1. Maybe from some people because of nationality, but I know I was sceptical 1) because of Windsor's past record, 2) because they were starting from scratch, and 3) because when it was announced, there was no budget cap so it seemed unrealistic that a team could be competitive on such a small budget

But it does seem that Hurley isn't going to Campos

I'm curious -- what's Windsor's "past record" that makes you skeptical? He's a former General Manager at Ferrari, Team Manager at Williams when they were winning championships, and has since been a journalist covering the races with extremely good access. Seems to me he's in a very good position to know how to run a successful team. Am I missing something?

I certainly think he could be accused of overselling the USF1 project early on. I think he may well have believed that they would be on solid financial backing at the time, but the early insistence that they would have two young American drivers seemed somewhere between dubious and impossible at the time.

It seems the insider reports on the trouble are laying the blame squarely at Ken Anderson's feet.

[the sniper]

Originally Posted by jab

I know I was sceptical 1) because of Windsor's past record

He didn't release those dodgy records, that was Sting.

I'm badly referencing F1Digtal+ jokes, time for bed me thinks...

[pdxracefan]

What a fickin' mess...

[Fiorentina 1]

I think the problem with this scenario is a w****r car salesman from Silicon Valley, who knows F*** all about racing, is advising the CEO of You Tube. WTF? Just because he sold him a few Ferrari's?

I met Parris Mullins at Infineon a few times and he is a complete d-bag, who talks a lot of sh*te and doesn't know anything about racing.

[jab]

Originally Posted by deletraz

I'm curious -- what's Windsor's "past record" that makes you skeptical?

Involved in the aborted Ikuzawa project; involvement in Brabham where he hitched up with a fraudster and then tried to buy the team himself with Greg Norman...that kind of stuff

The impression I get is he's either clueless about F1 team management or incredibly naive. Or both

[old man]

Originally Posted by Fiorentina 1

I think the problem with this scenario is a w****r car salesman from Silicon Valley, who knows F*** all about racing, is advising the CEO of You Tube. WTF? Just because he sold him a few Ferrari's?

I met Parris Mullins at Infineon a few times and he is a complete d-bag, who talks a lot of sh*te and doesn't know anything about racing.

Not a fan then!

If I was Anderson or Windsor I would consider the Autosport piece total condemnation of my work, if you like it is a vote of "no confidence" and new management is needed to get things back to something like a team effort but you can't do that without money

[Javi]

this is getting silly. According to this (put on hold, i don´t trust it that much), there was a meeting in madrid to merge USF1 and Campos into one team...

http://www.as.com/motor/articulo/for...asdaimot_6/Tes

[Javi]

crash.net as well into this

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/157120/...f1_merger.html

[Juntos]

The yankees can't put a F1 team together. Being ridiculed isn't lethal but it's time to stop this joke. There's people in waiting list.

[gregc]

Oh dear. Another nail in the coffin...

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/157138/...irms_exit.html

[ptclaus98]

They had a sponsor?

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by gregc

Oh dear. Another nail in the coffin...

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/157138/...irms_exit.html

I think that is just the public announcement of what has already happened. We just didn't know who the sponsor was that backed out. I tend to believe the details in the Autosports article post earlier. I think that is the most informative and reliable peek we have had so far into what has gone wrong.

[GolddustMini]

autosport are reporting that charlie whiting is heading over to charlotte to kick the back door in and have a look round to ascertain whether they have any hope of making it this year.....


sounds like USF1 are running on borrowed time right now!

[jab]

Link

Hopefully it'll go better than the last inspection. Load of good that did

[Last2LiftOff]

Rather than just reading the US F1 thread on tenths.

[jab]

Indeed

I honestly wouldn't be surprised at this stage if they actually do give them a 4 race grace period. Not because they genuinely think they can make it, but:

1) To save face after the entry selection

2) To stop the unclean Stefanovic getting into the untainted gentlemen's club that is F1 - if they don't tell US F1 they won't make it, US F1 won't sell their entry to Stefan GP, will they?