FIA Press Release re: Brazilian Grand Prix 2003/Jordan win? (merged)

Suzy · 9 Apr 2003, 10:28 (Ref:563760)

Hi folks

The following press release was issued by the FIA this morning:

"The FIA has received evidence which suggests that, contrary to the information supplied by the time-keepers at the Brazilian Grand Prix, car no. 11 (Fisichella) had started his 56th lap before the race was stopped. If this proves to be the case, the race classification would be that at the end of the 54th lap and not at the end of the 53rd lap as published.

In accordance with Article 179(b) of the International Sporting Code, the stewards of the Brazilian Grand Prix will re-convene on Friday 11 April at 11.00 hrs at the FIA headquarters in Paris to review the results of the event. All competitors who would be affected by any change to the classification are being invited to attend.

Paris, April 9, 2003"

ljakse · 9 Apr 2003, 10:34 (Ref:563764)

interesting, interesting...

BootsOntheSide · 9 Apr 2003, 10:36 (Ref:563765)

Looks liek justice will be done. A lot of the public are unhappy about this, as it's pretty clear that, having started lap 56, Fisichella is the rightful winner.

David McManus · 9 Apr 2003, 10:39 (Ref:563767)

I was right...

Kicking-back · 9 Apr 2003, 10:41 (Ref:563771)

We don't know for sure he did start lap 56 - looks like we'll have to wait until Friday for the evidence to be looked at.

I am VERY uncomfortable about a race result being changed days after the event - particularly given that the "parties involved" accepted the result on the day.

DNQ · 9 Apr 2003, 10:46 (Ref:563776)

Please oh PLEASE let Fisi get the win

**Peter Mallett** · 9 Apr 2003, 10:53 (Ref:563782)

But if he does get the win would it be the slowest average speed since racing began? I mean a whole five days?

I didn't know he'd crossed the line so if it is the case then not only were the Stewards lax in putting out the reds (they new the track was blocked) they haven't even checked their electronic timing. Inept or what?

Also I bet nobody slags them off like they did to Silverstone that wet April.

twig · 9 Apr 2003, 11:07 (Ref:563790)

i dont like the idea of counting back two laps, or counting back at all.

Cant they calculate what the race order is without making it so damn techincal. To avoid this they should not allow people who couldnt finish the race, Alonso and Webber with points positions.
Or hang on, Fisichellas can blew up didnt it. Forget that.

Suzy · 9 Apr 2003, 11:08 (Ref:563791)

I'm still trying to get clarification whether it is the same stewards who presided over Silverstone 1998. My favourite chief steward of all time - the lovely Nazir Hoosein - usually oversees the Brazilian GP and the British GP so I'm wondering if this may be another of Naz's "specials"

steve_r · 9 Apr 2003, 11:13 (Ref:563794)

It's not 1st April?
How difficult is it to know who won?

Barbazza · 9 Apr 2003, 11:19 (Ref:563798)

If they declare the results for lap 54 how does that leave the top eight. I think Webber for one won't be there but were there any other passes made on that lap?

Epsilon · 9 Apr 2003, 11:24 (Ref:563800)

Seems likely to me that Fisi would have crossed the line on time, given how far ahead of Alonso he was before the crash, and the slight delay before the red flag.

David McManus · 9 Apr 2003, 11:27 (Ref:563802)

By my reckoning - this isn't official - if the result is declared after 54 laps this is what happens...

1) Fisichella
2) Raikkonen
3) Alonso
4) Coulthard
5) Frentzen
6) Villeneuve
7) Ralf Schumacher
8) Trulli
9) Da Matta (+1 lap)
All other drivers DNF

Webber would probably be classified as a finisher as he'd completed the required %age of the winners laps - I'm not sure whether he'd be ahead of Da Matta or not. His accident was on 54, and Da Matta would have only completed 53, so he may get 9th.

MichaelH · 9 Apr 2003, 11:29 (Ref:563807)

yyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!

sorry but this has made my day.

Sarah_I · 9 Apr 2003, 11:33 (Ref:563810)

http://www.sportinglife.com/story_ge...al_105007.html

sorry if this is a repeat post.. but it seems justice may be done

**Adam43** · 9 Apr 2003, 11:35 (Ref:563812)

merged because it is a repeat!

Sarah_I · 9 Apr 2003, 11:38 (Ref:563815)

sorry! i just got excited when i heard it on the news... i'm almost 100% sure fisi started lap 56.. so should be given the win

David McManus · 9 Apr 2003, 11:41 (Ref:563818)

The revised Championship Standings (After Interlagos Lap 54)
Assuming my revised race order above is correct, of course!

DRIVERS

Raikkonen 24
Coulthard 15
Alonso 14
Fisichella 10
Trulli 9
Barrichello 8
M Schumacher 8
Montoya 8
R Schumacher 8 (not sure if he'd overtake RB, MS or JPM on better finishes)
Frentzen 7
Villeneuve 3
Button 2
Heidfeld 1

CONSTRUCTORS

McLaren 39
Renault 23
Ferrari 16
Williams 16 (See note on Ralf Schu in drivers)
Jordan 10
Sauber 8
BAR 5
Jaguar 0
Toyota 0
Minardi 0

f1manoz · 9 Apr 2003, 11:42 (Ref:563819)

*fingers and toes crossed*

Please, please, please, please let Fisichella be granted victory.

David McManus · 9 Apr 2003, 11:46 (Ref:563823)

Overtaking moves on lap 54 (ie what changes the result)

Fisichella passed Raikkonen for the lead
R Schumacher passed Trulli for 8th
R Schumacher passed Webber (Stationary) for 7th
Trulli passed Weber for 8th

**Adam43** · 9 Apr 2003, 12:02 (Ref:563843)

Quote:

Originally posted by David McManus
Overtaking moves on lap 54 (ie what changes the result)

R Schumacher passed Trulli for 8th
R Schumacher passed Webber (Stationary) for 7th
Trulli passed Weber for 8th

I think this was because Trulli pitted. Perhaps reacting to a potential safety car period or for a planned stop. If he reacted to the safety car then that was the wrong choice!

Valve Bounce · 9 Apr 2003, 12:04 (Ref:563844)

Quote:

Originally posted by David McManus
Overtaking moves on lap 54 (ie what changes the result)

Fisichella passed Raikkonen for the lead
R Schumacher passed Trulli for 8th
R Schumacher passed Webber (Stationary) for 7th
Trulli passed Weber for 8th

I'm not disputing this - it's just that I can only remember 1 car passing Webber's wreckage. :confused:
My other question is: On what lap did Webber crash? Or did these guys actually pass Mark Webber when he spun at turn 3?
:confused:
I'm going to try to find my tape.

Hungary 89 · 9 Apr 2003, 12:05 (Ref:563847)

Quote:

Originally posted by twig
i dont like the idea of counting back two laps, or counting back at all.

Cant they calculate what the race order is without making it so damn techincal. To avoid this they should not allow people who couldnt finish the race, Alonso and Webber with points positions.
Or hang on, Fisichellas can blew up didnt it. Forget that.

I agree I don't like count back either especially 2 laps

But you do need to take the results at a fixed point I mean what if two cars are side by side at the time of the red flag without the transponders to tell you who was in front how could you tell?

And as someone pointed out in another thread it would be silly to declare the race at lap 54 Sector 2

All this said either way you have to feel sorry for Fisi at the end of the day even if he gets the win, He didn't get to stand on the top of the podium so it can never feel right

Inigo Montoya · 9 Apr 2003, 12:09 (Ref:563854)

I told you!!! That is why I stuck with my sig!!

FORZA GIANCARLO!!!

jetsetter · 9 Apr 2003, 12:09 (Ref:563855)

I'm totally confused now, with eletronic timing how can they not know what lap they were on.

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