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23 Apr 2005, 11:38 (Ref:1284997)
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RBR/Ferrari (merged)
Well Ferrari will supply BRB next year. My first concern is for Cosworth, I hope they stay in F1.
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23 Apr 2005, 11:44 (Ref:1285007)
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Where was this announced?
Was there any mention of the number of teams that Ferrari believe they will be supplying next year (other than Ferrari themselves)? |
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23 Apr 2005, 11:46 (Ref:1285009)
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23 Apr 2005, 11:47 (Ref:1285010)
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It's just been announced during the commentary during quali on ITV (the UK TV station).
Red Bulls with Ferrari engines 
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23 Apr 2005, 11:57 (Ref:1285022)
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so sauber probably will get beemers . if Midland stays with Toyota i don't see cosworth next year in Formula 1
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23 Apr 2005, 12:04 (Ref:1285027)
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Cosworth will be in with someone, definitely.
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23 Apr 2005, 12:05 (Ref:1285028)
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So does this imply Red Bull will almost certainly be in the FIA/F1 camp with Ferrari, rather than the GPWC camp?
Sad if there is no room for Cosworth in F1, esp. with the return to the V8 engine format that made Cosworth famous, but RBR have to do what's best for RBR. |
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23 Apr 2005, 12:15 (Ref:1285036)
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23 Apr 2005, 12:41 (Ref:1285049)
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Red Bull Ferrari from 2006
Apparently announced at Imola today according to the Formula1 Website.
This is a shock to me. It is only a matter of time before Sauber announce a BMW deal. Will Cosworth continue if they are only to supply Minardi? |
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23 Apr 2005, 12:57 (Ref:1285052)
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It is looking a bit bleak for Cosworth. Can they afford to develop a V8 just for Minardi? (Might as well give them a handful of old DFVs.)
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23 Apr 2005, 12:58 (Ref:1285053)
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Someone might want to edit the title of this thread to read 'RBR' instead of 'BRB'. It puzzled me at first.
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23 Apr 2005, 13:37 (Ref:1285073)
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Could someone please explain why RBR are doing this..I thought the V10 Cosworth had lots of power 900+ horspower, and that the V8 has dyno tested well? Does this mean goodbye Cosworth from F1?
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23 Apr 2005, 14:08 (Ref:1285092)
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Minardi will surely use Cosworth power,and it could be that either Midland or Sauber will use Cosworth power too.The new V8 is reputed to be running at 20,000 rpm and giving in excess of 800 BHP!
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23 Apr 2005, 14:13 (Ref:1285098)
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I'm surprised at this decision. Cosworth have great experience of V8's and I think they'll be one of the engines to beat next year. Is this a political decision as well as a racing decision? Ferrari will make a good engine but I can't see it being far and away better than the Cossie?
It'd be a shame if Cosworth's great work were confined to Minardi. |
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23 Apr 2005, 14:25 (Ref:1285113)
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They'd probably want to be sharing data as well.... something like what Sauber have with Ferrari right now... but with Sauber growing ever distant from Ferrari with the switch to Michies and the rumours of a switch to BMW growing...
it could be a good decision for a new team like RBR and Ferrari.... |
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23 Apr 2005, 14:26 (Ref:1285114)
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I thought the Saubers would get the BMW if they (BMW) dont supply Williams.
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23 Apr 2005, 14:31 (Ref:1285124)
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Cosworth may be happy just to use Minardi as a test-bed for next season.So long as they get paid for their engines they'll be happy to develop them for a year and then perhaps more takers will appear.Both Sauber and Midland (Jordan) have a history with Cosworth (Ford) neither have any F1 ties with BMW.
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23 Apr 2005, 14:31 (Ref:1285126)
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The data sharing is an interesting one, however I don't think that will really be the motive here.
I can't see Red Bull building Ferrari clones or running Bridgestones like Sauber have done before. I think it will purely be an engine deal (possibly transmission as well) and no more. |
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23 Apr 2005, 14:43 (Ref:1285137)
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probably RBR decision is also one of marketing . one thing to have Ferrari engine and another to have Cosworth .. a little more exposure . exactly what RBR are doing in F1
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23 Apr 2005, 15:18 (Ref:1285159)
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I wondered why the team were wearing red this weekend
 It's an interesting move, from what they said on ITV a Ferrari powerplant is something Mateschitz(sp) has been after for next season |
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23 Apr 2005, 15:43 (Ref:1285170)
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I'm quiet disappointed that Cosworth will not be supplying anyone for next year, with the possible exception of Minardi. RBR has made it sound like it was a cost issue. It sounds like RBR had to pay Cosworth quiet a bit of money this year for their engines. I think it's a big mistake, I'm convinced if the smaller teams ganged up together they could get better engines from Cosworth than they could by getting "B" engines from manufacturers.
I can't help but remember back a couple years in the IRL. Cosworth designed a 3.5L V8 for Champ Car, which was the same displacement used by the IRL, but I believe the revs were different (thus one would expect it to be best under the initial design conditions). Champ Car ended up doing a U-turn on their specs, so Cosworth (Ford at the time) had this engine sitting around collecting dust. They made a deal with GM to brand it as a Chevy (GenIV)and introduced it 1/2-2/3 of the way through the IRL season. Cosworth's neglected garbage really embarrassed Toyota and Honda. My point? These guys can build great engines. I think they could really be benificial to the lesser teams. Last edited by Snrub; 23 Apr 2005 at 15:51. |
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23 Apr 2005, 16:19 (Ref:1285197)
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With RBR getting Ferrari engines and BMW likely supplying Sauber there is the possibility BMW and Williams part company Frank agrees to use Cosworth.
Or maybe that was just a dream I had. |
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23 Apr 2005, 16:59 (Ref:1285216)
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ChampCars and IRL are one thing, F1 is quite another. The sheer cost of building and developing a winning engine for F1 is beyond what a now-independent companby can manage, whereas Sauber have done a lot of giant-killing with Ferrari cast-offs. RBR might even get up-to-date engines, or at least only one evolution behind - if the 6-race-engine rule comes in it's possible that they might get a new engine just as soon as the second Ferrari, if they have failures (and thus the entitlement to a new engine) at the right times. Add to that a massive cost saving and I'd say this is a good move from RBR.
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23 Apr 2005, 17:04 (Ref:1285221)
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ok, so when do we see Liuzzi "testing" a Ferrari?
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23 Apr 2005, 21:50 (Ref:1285352)
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BRB = Be Right Back in internet parlance doesnt it?? It had me curious reading this subject title too....
Red Bull + Ferrari? Sounds like a marketing coup, to provide a transient link to the sport's biggest brand.... I doubt the Faz powerplants are $1 cheaper than the Cosworth units... ... its all about the MARKETING.... isnt it... And I dont think an exclusive Williams Cosworth would be the slug you may think... as long as it doesnt need a radiator out of a Kenworth truck to keep it running (ala the old Judds that required the engine cover to come off the car so it didnt overheat...) |
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