Renault power for RBR

Marbot · 22 Jun 2006, 10:16 (Ref:1638964)

RBR to be powered by Renault (and other stuff!).http://www.f1racing.net/en/index.php

Halsey · 22 Jun 2006, 10:27 (Ref:1638972)

Lucky RBR. Possibly unlucky Heikki, if he was a serious contender for the final Renault seat. Using my immense powers of deduction, one would presume that Raikkonen will be driving for Renault next season. This calls for more silly season antics!

sonic · 22 Jun 2006, 10:32 (Ref:1638974)

I don't get it, are they suggesting heikki to Red Bull Racing or Toro Rosso?

and pretty damning stuff from berger about DC!

"Should Christian (Klien) be ahead of David (Coulthard) by the end of the season, then the Scot's days at RBR are definitely numbered," the ten-time Grand Prix winner said, adding: "After all, David is also getting a bit long in the tooth"

Raglanparade · 22 Jun 2006, 10:45 (Ref:1638979)

Long in the tooth says the driver who was still racing at 37 years of age in 1997 with Benetton.

Didnt Gerhard even win the German GP in 1997 at age 37 ?

josvandeperre · 22 Jun 2006, 11:04 (Ref:1638996)

[QUOTE=Halsey This calls for more silly season antics![/QUOTE]

As you say this would appear to confirm lots more seats including Michael/Hamilton/Raikonnen/Kovalianen

spider · 22 Jun 2006, 11:19 (Ref:1639003)

A bit of a hint that RBR aren't entirely satisfied with the package they've received from Ferrari. If only Red Bull had bought Cosworth, or at least their F1 operation...

What affect will this have on Newey's designs for the 07 car?

I personally just feel it's a boot up the bottom for Coulthard, as I see them keeping him for another year...

I'm pretty sure RBR won't let Montoya slip them by though, so this move, coupled with Heikki coming on-board as part of the package (allegedly), it'll be interesting to see who lands where. Plus, where will Liuzzi go? Will they leave him to continue heading the 'B' team...?

kipper · 22 Jun 2006, 11:46 (Ref:1639030)

Interestingly, GrandPrix.com are reporting that the Renault engines may be Toro Rosso bound: http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns16996.html

To my mind it seems a little unlikely given I would have though that Renault engines would be a better bet than the alternative Cosworth engines. Also it would mean that this years Red Bull car would need significant modifications to accomodate a Renault unit, assuming that Toro Rosso continues to use cars based on Red Bulls. That said this scenario does have some logic to it regarding drivers; Coulthard remains at Red Bull, Liuzzi promoted to being his team mate, leaving a Toro Rosso seat for Kovaleinen alongside Speed.

Ryo28 · 22 Jun 2006, 12:55 (Ref:1639090)

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Originally Posted by kipper

Also it would mean that this years Red Bull car would need significant modifications to accomodate a Renault unit, assuming that Toro Rosso continues to use cars based on Red Bulls.

Will Toro Rosso be allowed to do this? I thought they could only use last years Red Bull because it was initially built by Jaguar who are no longer competing in F1. This is also the reason that Aguri have to use old Arrows chassis rather than last years BAR/Honda cars, AFAIK.

Would be strange if Toro Rosso got Renault engines and Red Bull didn't, uinless Red Bull secured some kind of works engine deal themselves.

BootsOntheSide · 22 Jun 2006, 13:04 (Ref:1639099)

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Originally Posted by sonic quoting Berger

"Should Christian (Klien) be ahead of David (Coulthard) by the end of the season, then the Scot's days at RBR are definitely numbered," the ten-time Grand Prix winner said, adding: "After all, David is also getting a bit long in the tooth"

If you are beaten by a less experienced team-mate, it does usually mean your days are numbered, especially as in this situation Christian would have to come from several points down. In any case, Berger has no say in RBR hiring, and probably does not have inside information on this.

**Bononi** · 22 Jun 2006, 13:13 (Ref:1639108)

Yeah, I think Boots is right on that. It seems strange that Berger would have weight in RBR decisions, pretty much the opposite is more likely.

kipper · 22 Jun 2006, 15:05 (Ref:1639159)

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Originally Posted by Ryo28

Will Toro Rosso be allowed to do this? I thought they could only use last years Red Bull because it was initially built by Jaguar who are no longer competing in F1. This is also the reason that Aguri have to use old Arrows chassis rather than last years BAR/Honda cars, AFAIK.

Would be strange if Toro Rosso got Renault engines and Red Bull didn't, unless Red Bull secured some kind of works engine deal themselves.

I think they could provided that this years Red Bull is only the base for next years Toro Rosso, who then make some alterations to the design. As such the car could be said to be a Toro Rosso design, similar to examples by Sauber and Ligier in the past.

I'd agree it would be odd if Toro Rosso were to be get Renault engines, however, a case could be made that as a customer Red Bull would probably find it difficult to beat the works Renault team, so investing in Cosworth engines could result in a strong engine that can be designed to suit a Red Bull chasis. Whilst the purpose of Toro Rosso is to give their younger drivers experience, so results aren't the only objective and a customer Ferrari/Renault deal may be sufficient

strider · 22 Jun 2006, 15:13 (Ref:1639165)

RBR have consistently said since the beginning of the year that they expect Klien to be beating DC over the course of this season, which, at the moment, look unlikely, so it may be Klien who is headed for the discard pile.

I'd expect RBR to have the Renault engines and Toro Rosso the Ferrari ones, if there is indeed a 2-year contract in place with Maranello.

sonic · 22 Jun 2006, 15:23 (Ref:1639173)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

Yeah, I think Boots is right on that. It seems strange that Berger would have weight in RBR decisions, pretty much the opposite is more likely.

Really? I see Berger with his driving background and BMW expereince as pretty influential in both Mateschitz's operations.

Down F0rce · 22 Jun 2006, 15:47 (Ref:1639189)

Christian Horner said "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" when commenting on DC's future.

Since DC has been driving well since '05 and was vital in gaining Adrian Newey, I think he still has a lot to offer the team. I don't see him being replaced anytime soon.

Unless there is any truth to this Ferrari deal.

Marbot · 22 Jun 2006, 16:58 (Ref:1639232)

Why would anyone want to buy a Ferrari engine that revs 500rpm less than it's capable of anyway.If i was Mr Mateschitz i'd want my money back!

Blaf · 22 Jun 2006, 17:12 (Ref:1639241)

Does anyone have new numbers on the different motors performances?

Logrence · 23 Jun 2006, 11:04 (Ref:1639703)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

Yeah, I think Boots is right on that. It seems strange that Berger would have weight in RBR decisions, pretty much the opposite is more likely.

He might not have any weight, but he is a good friend of one Herr Mateschitz.

It wouldn't be unheard of for someone like the good Doctor Red Bull to use a good friend to say things he couldn't be heard saying...

Mr V · 24 Jun 2006, 20:15 (Ref:1640476)

Adrian Newey desinged car, Renault engines (??) and JPM driving it (???)

Knowlesy · 24 Jun 2006, 20:16 (Ref:1640478)

I am clinging on to the dream!

Mr V · 24 Jun 2006, 20:17 (Ref:1640479)

Me too, me too

Notso Swift · 25 Jun 2006, 10:41 (Ref:1640752)

Is the Renault motor that good?
I thought not, they have never been the best motor (since re-entering F1), best electronics, maybe, best chassis, no question.
I would have thought RBR and STR would be best served with the same motor, ie Cosworth, but then this could be a risk mitagation strategy

Marbot · 25 Jun 2006, 10:58 (Ref:1640761)

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Originally Posted by Notso Swift

Is the Renault motor that good?

At the moment it seems to be speaking for itself,or it could be the car,or the aero,or the drivers,or the tyres...who knows?

At least it seems reliable.

Knowlesy · 25 Jun 2006, 12:22 (Ref:1640808)

The Renault engine is a bloody stonking motor! One of the most powerful and the most reliable. Combine that with a pretty damn great chassis and the best driver in the world and you have an unbeatable combination...

Down F0rce · 25 Jun 2006, 13:08 (Ref:1640831)

Renault have had zero engine failures in a race weekend this year. That's pretty impressive!

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