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Old 28 Apr 2012, 13:32 (Ref:3066531)   #101
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Also, for a series like a Formula Ford or F1000-2000, I would personally go with a weekend that looks like this

90 min practice Wed or Thursday(depending on what day a feature race is held; sets grid for race 1 and q-race 1)
Heat race 1(results set grid for Heat race 2, top four get spots in the feature, same day as the practice)
15 minute warmup
Heat race 2(result sets grid for Heat 3, top four spots not in the feature get in to feature)
Heat race 3(top four not in feature get into feature)
Pre-final(inverted grid, with the the final four feature spots set.)
Feature



Race lengths are timed
Heats 1-3, 25 minutes
Pre-Final, 1 hour
Feature, 1.5 hour long

Three plus hours of racing action in a single weekend. What a young racer needs most. Get a rock hard tire, give them three sets.
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Old 28 Apr 2012, 13:55 (Ref:3066537)   #102
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Also, for a series like a Formula Ford or F1000-2000, I would personally go with a weekend that looks like this

90 min practice Wed or Thursday(depending on what day a feature race is held; sets grid for race 1 and q-race 1)
Heat race 1(results set grid for Heat race 2, top four get spots in the feature, same day as the practice)
15 minute warmup
Heat race 2(result sets grid for Heat 3, top four spots not in the feature get in to feature)
Heat race 3(top four not in feature get into feature)
Pre-final(inverted grid, with the the final four feature spots set.)
Feature



Race lengths are timed
Heats 1-3, 25 minutes
Pre-Final, 1 hour
Feature, 1.5 hour long

Three plus hours of racing action in a single weekend. What a young racer needs most. Get a rock hard tire, give them three sets.
all of which would come with a budget that would cause a very sharp intake of breath!

There is little value in races that long for drivers early in their careers? only f1 and indycars (any more) have single seater races that last that long. 20minute race formats work well, add in the cost of car damage as young fatigued drivers start chucking it off the road

practice on a wednesday/thursday/friday? thats just going to cost too much as it ceases to be something a "lad and his dad" can do because daddys got to work!
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Old 28 Apr 2012, 15:58 (Ref:3066583)   #103
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Maybe young drivers should stay in karting ! At most club kart racing events, a driver gets practice, three heats and a final [all for around £40.00 entry]... albeit they all take place on the same day. Championship events have even more races.
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Old 8 May 2012, 06:52 (Ref:3070986)   #104
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No surprise that Ralph and Dave's latest chassis "works extremely well" in a one-make series, but it's being towelled by 10 year-old Van Diemens in the F2000 Championship Series and by Stohrs in the F1000 Pro Series.


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I believe there may be two reasons why junior single seater series are so expensive:
a) cars tend to be unnecessarily complex and so spares are expensive
b) most rely on 'teams' to run the cars (who have many mouths to feed)
This is not what most young drivers need, or can afford.

Talk about going back to FF days or perhaps looking at M/C engines?

Well, Ralph Firman and David Baldwin recently came out of retirement to build a space frame chassis that works extremely well.

We fit it with a lightweight, high revving and CHEAP Suzuki GSXR 1000cc engine and restrict it to 150bhp. Chain drive. F3 rubber.

The young driver learns to drive a car with three pedals and a gear lever - no frills. We run all the cars with one team in identical setup - so no excuses or moaning and more importantly, 'wallet based achievement'. The best driver on the day wins.

Its cheap and extremely effective.

We use a top driver coach (Andy Pardoe) to work with all the drivers (looking at output from an AIM logger and a Go-Pro camera in each car). The drivers develop very quickly - as all the 'bull' stops.

The result? Our first 'suck it and see season' with 14 x 20 minute races, including tires for 34,000 pounds all in. As an organizer I can tell you this is about our cost.

Of course we are entitled to make a margin so next season we will charge more but still less than 47,000 pounds. If the winter gets too cold, jump on a flight to Dubai and join us! Its called Formula Gulf 1000.
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Old 10 May 2012, 18:23 (Ref:3072349)   #105
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No surprise that Ralph and Dave's latest chassis "works extremely well" in a one-make series, but it's being towelled by 10 year-old Van Diemens in the F2000 Championship Series and by Stohrs in the F1000 Pro Series.
What's the goal of lower-level formula? For a car manufacturer to maximize the speed of its car and therefore the cost for the team and driver or for the driver to learn how to drive a racecar?
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Old 10 May 2012, 22:15 (Ref:3072445)   #106
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What's the goal of lower-level formula? For a car manufacturer to maximize the speed of its car and therefore the cost for the team and driver or for the driver to learn how to drive a racecar?
Those aren't ladder formula. It's club racing.
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