2016 Calendar Changes-Bizarre

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by wnut

This date clash is just deliberately trying to devalue Le Mans, and prevent the F1 drivers competing.

Explanation not accepted Jean!

http://www.pitpass.com/55135/Todt-ap...ans-date-clash


You are in charge of calendar clashes, and you are tasked with representing the best interests of motorsport!

[wolfhound]

Originally Posted by johnh875

One minor bizarre thing is listing the Azerbaijan GP as "Baku", the only one that does not list the country. At least it has improved my knowledge of international geography, I suppose.

Baku will technically be the European GP but its actually in Asia.

[The Fat Clerk]

F1 races clashing with Le Mans is hardly new. Many times I've had to decide between Montrael & Le Sarthe.

[Jordan 199]

Originally Posted by wolfhound

Baku will technically be the European GP but its actually in Asia.

That's a real oddity. We have races in Asia so why not just call it the Azerbaijan GP? Or Asian GP?

[wolfhound]

Originally Posted by Jordan 199

That's a real oddity. We have races in Asia so why not just call it the Azerbaijan GP? Or Asian GP?

I think it is because Bernie needs to keep the ratio of European & North American GP's to the others for contractual reasons.

[Jordan 199]

Meh.

[chillibowl]

perhaps too soon or not even the place but it is something that has been broached in the past after major acts of terrorism/violence occur.

given the cost of maintaining security at large events, how can the local promoters and their host nations possibly hope to afford the direct and indirect costs of hosting a GP. how high must tickets prices go and at what level do collected tax revenues have to be to make these events sustainable?

certainly F1 has some on track issues, but im curious as to what others think how recent events affect the viability of these types of events in the west? rather should the FIA be addressing these issues more directly or is pursing cheap engines, for example, the more important issue for them. or maybe they are unconnected and my question is just too rooted in what happened this weekend and not worth making a larger issue out of it?

mods: split to a new thread if thats better, maybe even move to parc ferme at your discretion.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Jordan 199

That's a real oddity. We have races in Asia so why not just call it the Azerbaijan GP? Or Asian GP?

Why bother with an Azerbaijan GP in the first place? I forgot, there's Bernie's fee.

[JABWOA]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Why bother with an Azerbaijan GP in the first place? I forgot, there's Bernie's fee.

Which the teams get half of.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by JABWOA

Which the teams get half of.

Do they?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by wolfhound

Baku will technically be the European GP but its actually in Asia.

Baku is in Europe.

Azerbaijan is split on both the European and Asian continents...Baku itself is on the European side.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by Matt

Baku is in Europe.

Azerbaijan is split on both the European and Asian continents...Baku itself is on the European side.

I hope that is not what they teach you in the USA. Turkey, which is to the west of Azerbaijan, is barely in Europe and in fact it is considered to be the bridge between Europe and Asia, and has only comparatively recently been considered part of Europe. And if you look at a map, Baku is on the far eastern edge of Azerbaijan on the shores of the Caspian Sea, and is actually almost due north of Tehran (capital of Iran), and that is certainly not in Europe either.

Furthermore, Azerbaijan is hundreds of miles from Turkey, and is seperated from it by Georgia to it's north, Armenia to it's west and Iran to it's south.

[JABWOA]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Do they?

Yep, 50% split between teams (unequally) and 50% to the stakeholders being Bernie, CVC and "special" team payments.
Based on 2013 figures:

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by JABWOA

Yep, 50% split between teams (unequally) and 50% to the stakeholders being Bernie, CVC and "special" team payments.
Based on 2013 figures:

Thanks.

Where does FOM fit in with this?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

I hope that is not what they teach you in the USA. Turkey, which is to the west of Azerbaijan, is barely in Europe and in fact it is considered to be the bridge between Europe and Asia, and has only comparatively recently been considered part of Europe. And if you look at a map, Baku is on the far eastern edge of Azerbaijan on the shores of the Caspian Sea, and is actually almost due north of Tehran (capital of Iran), and that is certainly not in Europe either.

Furthermore, Azerbaijan is hundreds of miles from Turkey, and is seperated from it by Georgia to it's north, Armenia to it's west and Iran to it's south.

This is a current map of Europe.


Azerbaijan is bisected by the Europe/Asian border, and where Baku is located, represented by the red dot I've placed on the image, falls into the part of the country that is in Europe.

[Beryl]

This is a rather silly discussion.

Europe is a cultural region and doesn't have any official borders. The border between Europe and the rest of Eurasia is arbitrary and meaningless.

I'd say Azerbaijan probably earned the right to be European after 70 years of Russification under Soviet rule. They even won Eurovision a couple year ago.

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by Beryl

This is a rather silly discussion.

Europe is a cultural region and doesn't have any official borders. The border between Europe and the rest of Eurasia is arbitrary and meaningless.

I'd say Azerbaijan probably earned the right to be European after 70 years of Russification under Soviet rule. They even won Eurovision a couple year ago.

Obviously information taken form "The Observers book of how to decide if a Country in in Europe"!
(Sorry Beryl, not a dig, just hopefully a light-hearted comment based on what I thought when reading your post )

[Beryl]

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

Obviously information taken form "The Observers book of how to decide if a Country in in Europe"!

I see we've both perused through the same seminal guide book.

Clearly no institution is more European than the revered Eurovision Song Contest. There is no doubt that success in this fair and incorruptible competition is the perfect barometer for adjudicating Europeanness.

[bludvl_x19]

Originally Posted by Beryl

I see we've both perused through the same seminal guide book.

Clearly no institution is more European than the revered Eurovision Song Contest. It follows that there is no doubt that success in this fair and incorruptible competition is the perfect barometer for adjudicating Europeanness.

Great! As an Australian, where do I get the EU stamp in my passport?

[wnut]

Originally Posted by bludvl_x19

Great! As an Australian, where do I get the EU stamp in my passport?

On the criteria advanced above, I reckon any international Australian airport would do perfectly.

You're in Eurovision after all!

Asian - same place!

[ScotsBrutesFan]

As interesting as the geopolitical mappery has been, do we know when exactly the next World Motorsport Council meets to decide which of the 21 venues currently on the list does fall by the wayside.

I know it's usually December sometime and that it gets pretty definitive from that point onwards, as the other FIA and other prominent Championships are confirmed as well.

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Where does FOM fit in with this?

I believe FOM (Formula One Management) is one part of Formula One Group (which is in the diagram above)

Richard

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

I believe FOM (Formula One Management) is one part of Formula One Group (which is in the diagram above)

Richard

I can see Formula One Group is in the diagram.

[Mike Harte]

I believe that FOM is a subsidiary of Delta Topco, although in reality it is both the Commercial Rights Holder and the part of Delta Topco that deals with all the financial matters relating to the teams.

The diagram is really a very simplified version of how the payments work; the Group, however, is fragmented for tax planning purposes and not all of it's parts are shown, for example Bambino Trust (that's the Ecclestone family trust) is not there.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

I believe that FOM is a subsidiary of Delta Topco, although in reality it is both the Commercial Rights Holder and the part of Delta Topco that deals with all the financial matters relating to the teams.

The diagram is really a very simplified version of how the payments work; the Group, however, is fragmented for tax planning purposes and not all of it's parts are shown, for example Bambino Trust (that's the Ecclestone family trust) is not there.

What I've gleaned from the Interweb and how I understand the structure, is that the Formula One Group is owned ultimately by Delta Topco, a Jersey based company, owned primarily by investment companies CVC Capital Partners, Waddell & Reed, and LBI Group, with the remaining ownership split between Bernie Ecclestone, other investment companies and company directors.

The diagram does seem a little simplified. I found this diagram and though the sponsors have changed, I was wondering if this was more representative of the structure? It's certainly an intricate web.