WEC Toyota LMP1 Discussion - Page 118

**FIRE** · 10 Jun 2015, 19:13 (Ref:3547047)

With only 2 cars they are already behind Audi and Porsche.

tyronnezx · 10 Jun 2015, 22:00 (Ref:3547199)

Wow. 6 seconds of...

kvenom · 10 Jun 2015, 22:04 (Ref:3547204)

They are further back than 2013 and now with 6 cars ahead of them instead of 3.

Acid09 · 10 Jun 2015, 22:04 (Ref:3547205)

Toyota's in a shocking state so far, basically everyone's wondering how it's possible that they're this far off.

Still a good 2 seconds slower than last year, just three seconds ahead of Rebellion..geez.

Even if by some miracle they do have a flawless race this looks like a hopeless endeavor. I can't recall the last time a a major manufacturer has fallen so far behind over the course of just one winter.

Bandicoot17 · 10 Jun 2015, 22:08 (Ref:3547206)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

I can't recall the last time a a major manufacturer has fallen so far behind over the course of just one winter.

Toyota in 2013

Do we actually have any idea what race pace is actually going to be??

Also it's meant to absolutely **** it down on Sunday so I wouldn't be ruling anyone out yet.

Acid09 · 10 Jun 2015, 22:10 (Ref:3547207)

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Originally Posted by Bandicoot17

Do we actually have any idea what race pace is actually going to be??

Also it's meant to absolutely **** it down on Sunday so I wouldn't be ruling anyone out yet.

No idea about race pace but I've observed Toyota's lap times and the gap was basically the same during long runs as well, Porsche & Audi are always able lap comfortably quicker.

And as far as rain goes, I would like to hope for that but TMG has been pretty terrible in rainy conditions so far. So yeah...they have a gigantic mountain to climb this weekend.

tyronnezx · 10 Jun 2015, 22:12 (Ref:3547208)

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Originally Posted by Bandicoot17

Toyota in 2013

Do we actually have any idea what race pace is actually going to be??

Also it's meant to absolutely **** it down on Sunday so I wouldn't be ruling anyone out yet.

TBH..Both Toyota's are within Two tenths of each other, which tells me that they were definitely pushing. I Want to be wong but i think this is Toyota's Ultimate pace. how on earth do you fall back 6 seconds?! and 2 seconds slower than the year before..There werent any drama at the Toyota camp either

Acid09 · 10 Jun 2015, 22:14 (Ref:3547209)

It feels like they've been going backwards this year even. They were in an okayish state at Silverstone, Spa was a letdown and this is, so far, even worse...very, very odd.

Bandicoot17 · 10 Jun 2015, 22:14 (Ref:3547210)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

No idea about race pace but I've observed Toyota's lap times and the gap was basically the same during long runs as well, Porsche & Audi are always able lap comfortably quicker.

And as far as rain goes, I would like to hope for that but TMG has been pretty terrible in rainy conditions so far. So yeah...they have a gigantic mountain to climb this weekend.

I don't disagree. How they can have backwards I don't know.

Last year they found ~4 seconds from Q1 to Q3 so I only hope they can pull a rabbit out of the hat.

Skemer · 10 Jun 2015, 22:18 (Ref:3547213)

This clearly can´t be due to having half the budget of Audi and Porsche,being so far behind.There must be other reasons for having such a huge deficit.Reasons yet unknown to me as for now.These hybrid-power regulations are in their early years,maybe they are not as tight as the A.C.O claim them to be.Just my thoughts here no conclusion.

Acid09 · 10 Jun 2015, 22:21 (Ref:3547214)

If the six-seconds gap will persist they'll lose 80 seconds per stint!

That means they'll fall behind a lap every two and a half stints. This gap will be impossible to make up even with plenty of bad luck for the other cars, there's no way all six cars will be having problems of this magnitude.

FLGTFAN · 10 Jun 2015, 22:21 (Ref:3547215)

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Originally Posted by Bandicoot17

Also it's meant to absolutely **** it down on Sunday so I wouldn't be ruling anyone out yet.

These days, if it rains hard, there will be immediate and extended safety car/slow zone, which won't necessarily benefit anyone. But light rain, then yeah, it could be interesting.

tyronnezx · 10 Jun 2015, 22:25 (Ref:3547216)

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Originally Posted by Skemer

This clearly can´t be due to having half the budget of Audi and Porsche,being so far behind.There must be other reasons for having such a huge deficit.Reasons yet unknown to me as for now.These hybrid-power regulations are in their early years,maybe they are not as tight as the A.C.O claim them to be.Just my thoughts here no conclusion.

Using an outdated engine will be my 1st guess. it's bottlenecking the hybrid and having no money = development is slow. It's like their F1 days where some "updates" made the car go backwards and they had came up with all sorts of colourful excuses to why things didnt go right. this is a **** poor effort and im blaming TMC. i hope Akio Toyoda is watching this and so is this so called Yoda. and if they fail to address this issue immediately, instead of sitting on there ar*es and try to stretch the budget, then i dont want a bar of Toyota

Acid09 · 10 Jun 2015, 22:26 (Ref:3547218)

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Originally Posted by tyronnezx

Using an outdated engine will be my 1st guess. it's bottlenecking the hybrid and having no money = development is slow. It's like their F1 days where come "updates" made the car go backwards and they came up with all sorts of colourful excuses to why things didnt go right. this is a **** poor effort and im blaming TMC. i hope Akio Toyoda is watching this and so is this so called Yoda

None of that explains why they're slower than last year though.

kvenom · 10 Jun 2015, 22:28 (Ref:3547219)

Aero miscalculation?

J Jay · 10 Jun 2015, 22:29 (Ref:3547220)

Hang on before the pitchforks are readied, Porsche won't be doing 3:16s come the race. The gap isn't quite as big as the time sheet suggests.

Having said that though Toyota are clearly third fastest, and crucially they aren't close enough that they can run reliably and hope for problems alone to get them to the podium - they will have to push as hard as they can and still hope for a litany of issues.

Particularly worrying is that they haven't improved on last year's qualifying yet, given that the VAG bros have did so straight out of the box. Hopefully that will be corrected tomorrow evening.

tyronnezx · 10 Jun 2015, 22:40 (Ref:3547223)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

None of that explains why they're slower than last year though.

Nope. And im not technical. so lets just hope they have a good enough explanation this time around.

HR186S · 10 Jun 2015, 22:44 (Ref:3547225)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

None of that explains why they're slower than last year though.

Last year they had a movable wing!

Bandicoot17 · 10 Jun 2015, 22:53 (Ref:3547228)

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Originally Posted by HR186S

Last year they had a movable wing!

yeah that ain't worth 4 seconds.

Skemer · 10 Jun 2015, 23:01 (Ref:3547230)

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Originally Posted by Bandicoot17

yeah that ain't worth 4 seconds.

Nope 3.23.5 is 1.8 sec off last years quickest from Toyota.

Bandicoot17 · 10 Jun 2015, 23:25 (Ref:3547235)

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Originally Posted by Skemer

Nope 3.23.5 is 1.8 sec off last years quickest from Toyota.

was looking at FP times by mistake

really don't think the wing was as critical as people make out though. They still beat everyone after it was banned.

GriffM3 · 10 Jun 2015, 23:33 (Ref:3547236)

Toyota already said on RLM that they were not going for qualy times during the first seasion and they expect them to be around the 3:19-3:20 time when the sessions end. They are behind to be sure but i would not use todays session as a barometer for how far behind they truly are. Lots of overreactions in this thread imo.

TF110 · 10 Jun 2015, 23:42 (Ref:3547238)

Their PR sounds more enthusiastic than the "6 seconds behind" times show. No qualifying runs it seems. Which is in line with what Mike Conway said to RLM.

Japanese Samurai · 10 Jun 2015, 23:47 (Ref:3547240)

Kota Sera blog features Toyota's extended bodywork.
http://serakota.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2015-06-11

Acid09 · 10 Jun 2015, 23:55 (Ref:3547244)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Their PR sounds more enthusiastic than the "6 seconds behind" times show. No qualifying runs it seems. Which is in line with what Mike Conway said to RLM.

The Conway interview was quite telling though, he sounded pretty glum and not really enthusiastic.

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