ALMS 2012 Discussion - Page 108

The Badger · 19 Jul 2012, 18:46 (Ref:3108689)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

The really big news in that one is that Mazda will be gone from P1 next year....

Prefect time to drop P1 from the ALMS , and concentrate on P2 .best inforn Greg Picket first though .

The Badger · 19 Jul 2012, 18:47 (Ref:3108690)

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Originally Posted by joeb

could Dyson build their own car?

No , but they could commission someone to design one for them . Cant see that happening though .

Jonerz · 19 Jul 2012, 20:16 (Ref:3108739)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

No , but they could commission someone to design one for them . Cant see that happening though .

They certainly could commission a Coupe, but HVM tweeted last week (or this week) that they will service "Lola cars" at their race shop. It was retweeted by @almsnotes, so presumably that includes Lola P1 and P2 cars. Furthermore, in the IMSA GTP days whole 962 cars were built by the likes of Fabcar here in the U.S. and many teams had cottage industry builders build replacement and development parts for their cars. So as Rob Dyson hinted, they could very well develop the car on their own and appear confident in being able to run the "B12/66" for as long as they see fit.

One has to wonder with the removal of the Mazda cam covers if Dyson will switch engines for 2013. I don't think it would be worth the expense and bother, quite frankly. (Unless of course an OEM came to them with money.)

Chris

The Badger · 19 Jul 2012, 20:45 (Ref:3108760)

Could they switch to Honda's in their Lola's ?

Im not sure , but I did hear the engine was available . but there is nothing better than a turn key chassis .

Fogelhund · 19 Jul 2012, 21:03 (Ref:3108765)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Prefect time to drop P1 from the ALMS , and concentrate on P2 .best inforn Greg Picket first though .

Not going to happen.

The Badger · 19 Jul 2012, 21:35 (Ref:3108786)

Why ?

Jonerz · 19 Jul 2012, 23:56 (Ref:3108827)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Why ?

There is some decent promise of P1 content coming down the pipeline, or at least more promise than when the only source claiming as much is Scott Atherton.

Also, reading the Gordon Kirby article and listening to Dyson and Pickett talk, they seem to be pretty big supporters of the P1 class over even the P2 class.

Though the privateer P1 seems to be on the verge of extinction right now because of uncertainty over the balance of the ACO's new rules (and their desire to make P1 entirely factory-reliant), and Lola's difficulties, circumstances can change very quickly.

Chris

Fogelhund · 20 Jul 2012, 00:34 (Ref:3108838)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Why ?

Listen to the ongoing message projected by the ALMS and Scott Atherton. They strive to be a top level professional series.

Jonerz · 20 Jul 2012, 00:52 (Ref:3108840)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Listen to the ongoing message projected by the ALMS and Scott Atherton. They strive to be a top level professional series.

And personally, I would really struggle to support a series that marketed itself as anything but that. The continent of North America has in the past, and still can support top tier professional sports car racing. A ladder series for a championship that maybe visits once or twice a year (and burgles strong assets) is not what IMSA's top championship should be.

Chris

Deleted · 20 Jul 2012, 16:27 (Ref:3109121)

As ELMS collapses, in turn we have some neat PLM news:

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Originally Posted by Speed TV

It's believed up to 14 ELMS teams, that were registered for the full-season, will receive transportation assistance for the 1,000-mile/10-hour enduro at Road Atlanta, where they’ll join an expected field of up to 40 ALMS cars taking part in its season finale.

The latest development comes as a major boost to the race, which was not picked up as a round of the FIA World Endurance Championship for 2012 after a two-year stint as a joint Intercontinental Le Mans Cup/ALMS race.

The Petit Le Mans will serve as a double points-scoring round for the ELMS, which will still award auto-invites to the 2013 Le Mans 24 Hours for its class champions.

Dyson Mazda · 20 Jul 2012, 16:30 (Ref:3109123)

I guess the question is now, who will show up out of that crowd. I would love to see the Delta Wing as well.

Speed-King · 20 Jul 2012, 16:33 (Ref:3109126)

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Originally Posted by Dyson Mazda

I guess the question is now, who will show up out of that crowd. I would love to see the Delta Wing as well.

Suddenly the track limit of 53 cars might become a real issue again...

Deleted · 20 Jul 2012, 16:36 (Ref:3109130)

As they will offer financial assistance for ELMS teams and there are LM auto invites at stake in both in ELMS champ, ALMS champ as well for individual PLM class winners as well, we might see a really great turn up!

Really happy now.

R4z3rw33n · 20 Jul 2012, 16:47 (Ref:3109136)

Wow - that's certainly added a much needed (and, categorically targeted) boost to the grid.
Seems the best possible outcome, given the circumstances.

Edit: Guess we'll have to wait and see which teams take up the invite.

Dyson Mazda · 20 Jul 2012, 16:52 (Ref:3109139)

They should try to do this in every round of the ALMS that lacks the WEC next year

Rodger Davies · 20 Jul 2012, 17:00 (Ref:3109146)

me too, both championships might be struggling, but in a world where we have the likes of the WEC striving to kill the regionals, it's good to see a bit of co-operation and surely a very strong grid out of it for a fine PLM that much deserves it.

I'm starting to wish they had left Bahrain WEC at the same time as PLM just so they could compare the interest in the two.

I doubt the 53 will be an issue, absolute max from Europe is likely to be 11 and I doubt it'll reach that. Can you see ALMS getting 40+ ?

Rodger Davies · 20 Jul 2012, 17:01 (Ref:3109147)

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Originally Posted by Dyson Mazda

They should try to do this in every round of the ALMS that lacks the WEC next year

back in early 2000s before the 2004 version of the LMS there were several European teams running a full ALMS calendar.

KlBD · 20 Jul 2012, 17:09 (Ref:3109151)

Considering that LMP2 has been the ELMS' one saving grace this year and a primary deficiency in the ALMS, suddenly Petit Le Mans just became a whole lot more competitive considering the quality of those European teams...now let's hope they make it over here!

DS" · 20 Jul 2012, 17:12 (Ref:3109152)

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Originally Posted by Dyson Mazda

They should try to do this in every round of the ALMS that lacks the WEC next year

Sounds good in theory, but it remains to be seen whether ELMS teams want to afford a full season in the US. On the other hand, if the ACO wants a true second-tier endurance championship, they might resurrect the Intercontinental Le Mans Cup, that consists of some American and European races. On the other hand, "thou shall not have another intercontinental sportscar series besides the WEC."

But it's pretty nice that the ACO supports the ALMS by inviting ELMS teams to Petit Le Mans. Even if there will be only a handful P1 entrants, P2 should put on a great show.

pablocomics · 20 Jul 2012, 17:13 (Ref:3109153)

Don´t expect more than 8-9 cars from Europe, but it will make a great PLM (lots of nice LMP2 probably fighting for a podium or maybe the race win if the lmp1 has problems)

Deleted · 20 Jul 2012, 17:15 (Ref:3109154)

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Originally Posted by Rodger Davies

Can you see ALMS getting 40+ ?

We had 35 at Laguna Seca so it shouldn't be a problem

FordCosworthPanoz · 20 Jul 2012, 17:22 (Ref:3109157)

It all depends how many GTC and LMPC teams show up and whether or not LV5 makes it to the end of the year, other than the Viper no new ALMS entries are expected by Petit in any of the LMP1/LMP2/GT classes, however it is expected that the Fernandez Aston will show up at Petit if the hardware money is in place.

Most of the ELMS teams that take up the invite will probably not be doing WEC as Petit is smack in the middle of the two Asian rounds. Travel costs are all well and good but as we saw in Brazil in 2007 it doesn't always mean teams will show up. John and others since the start of the year have said Audi/Toyota wont do PLM and this really changes nothing for them.

FstrthnU · 24 Jul 2012, 18:27 (Ref:3110916)

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...-elms-link-up/
Good news for the overall series, in an interview Dagys had with Scott Atherton the latter said that some ELMS teams are in negotiations to run at Baltimore and/or VIR. The late-season could be really strong due to this!

Deleted · 24 Jul 2012, 18:47 (Ref:3110922)

Not sure what advantages there are in running at Baltimore & Virginia for those European teams (apart from, you know getting race mileage ACO stole from them) but whatever, sounds great. Looks as the ELMS breakup was the best thing that could've happened!! Love it

The Badger · 24 Jul 2012, 20:30 (Ref:3110948)

Ive an idea , why dont all the European teams just go and race in the ALMS .....

Forget about us Europeans and sponsorship commitments altogether . When will the ALMS come and race in Europe . Hard enough to get a few of them to do Le Mans , even when they win auto invites !!!

Im getting sick of this ALMS , ELMS & AsLMS deal ..... balls to the lot of them .

You want to go sportscar racing , well pull your finger out and go WEC , end of .

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