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13 Nov 2003, 21:20 (Ref:782450) | #51 | |
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Thanks for that, Jeremy. I think what may have happened was that someone said that the first round had been postponed and, presuming that at that time I wasn't aware of the planned 18/3/79 meeting, I marked down the 25/3/79 meeting as having been cancelled (presuming that this was round 1...! ) I really should have kept better notes but I'm learning as I go!
The query on the 1958-1962 seasons stand though! I've only got a handful of dates for these so if anyone can assist on those I'll be very grateful! |
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From my programmes, I can confirm that March 25th was described as "round 1" and April 13th "round 2".
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I have at last got around to sorting my Motor Sport mags ready for disposal. The following may throw some light on the early years -
1958 May 3rd Silverstone production touring car race - 1st Jaguar 3.4 July 19th Silverstone touring car race - winner class d Austin A105, winner class f Riley 1.5 Aug 4th Brands saloon car race - 1st in class Austin A105 The above is taken from captions to Pictorial Round-up, no reports found. 1958 Championship winner Jack Sears Austin A105 |
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Boxing day Brands John Davy Trophy race G Baillie Jag 3.4 J M Uren Zephyr D J Uren Jag 3.4 up to 1500cc L Leston Riley 1.5 Shepherd A35 J M Young Ford Prefect 1959 BRSCC organised the following race events - May 10 Brands closed event May 18 Crystal Palace national event - Touring Car race Williamson A40 Leston Riley 1.5 Shepherd A40 June 28 Mallory national event July 12 Brands closed event 1959 champion Jeff Uren Ford Zephyr |
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Jul 16th Silverstone British GP Touring car race 12 laps - Colin Chapman Jag 3.8 Jack Sears Jag 3.8 Gwainne Baillie Jag 3.8 up to 1000cc Shepherd Austin Se7en Byrne Auto Union 1000 Aley Austin Se7en up to 1600cc Hopkirk ? Jopp Volvo up to 3000cc Haynes Uren Cuff-Miller BRSCC organised events Aug 1st Brands International Aug 27th Brands International |
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1960 champion Doc Shepherd Austin A40
1961 BRSCC organised race events - May 7th Brands national May 13th Oulton restricted May 20th Rufforth restricted May 22nd Crystal Palace national July 9th Linto on Ouse restricted July 22/23 Mallory closed July 29 Silverstone closed Aug 7th Brands international Guards Trophy meeting - Redex Trophy race for Group 2 touring cars Parkes Jag 3.8 Salvadori Jag 3.8 Sears Jag 3.8 class Hamlin Morris Mini Clare Aston Hutcheson Riley 1.5 Lewis Riley 1.5 Blydenstein Borgward Kemison Jag 2.4 Haynes Zephyr ------------------------------------------------------------ Mar 25 Snetterton Int Lombank Trophy meeting Touring Cars Baillie Jag 3.8 Surtees Jag 3.8 Taylor Jag 3.8 class Hutcheson Riley Class Hurrell Saab ------------------------------------------------------------ Easter Goodwood St Mary's trophy saloon car race Parkes Jag 3.8 Hill Jag 3.8 Taylor Baillie McLaren class Blydenstein Borgward class Whitmore Mini 850 Aley Mini 1961 champion John Whitmore Mini |
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From Mini Cooper advert - Saloon car racing - England Apr 14 Snetterton class 1 2 3 Apr 23 Goodwood class 1 2 Apr 28 Aintree class 1 2 3 May 12 Silverstone class 1 2 3 June 11 Crystal Palace class 1 2 June 11 Mallory Park class 1 2 3 July 21 Aintree class 1 2 3 Sep 1 Oulton Park class 1 2 3 Motor 6 hour clas 1 2 3 1962 BRSCC Saloon Car Championship winner John Love Mini Cooper ------------------------------------------------------------ BRSCC organised race events Mar 18th Snetterton closed Mar 31st Silverstone closed Apr 21st Rufforth closed Apr 23rd Brands closed May 6th Brands closed May 20th Cadwell closed May 27th Brands national Jun 9th Rufforth restricted Jun 9th Castle Combe closed Jun 30th Oulton Park restricted Jul 1st Mallory closed Jul 7th Castle Combe closed Jul 8th Linton restricted Jul 22nd Brands closed Jul 28th Oulton restricted Aug 6th Brands international Aug 19th Cadwell closed Aug 26th Brands closed Sep 1st Crystal Palace National Sep 2nd Mallory closed Sep 8th Rufforth restricted Sep 8th Castle Combe closed Sep 16th Snetterton closed Oct 6th Brands international Dec 26th Brands national ------------------------------------------------------------ Touring Car races Apr 14th Snetterton Lombank 109km Parkes Sears Hill Apr 23rd Goodwood StMary's Trophy 39km Hill Salvadori Sears Apr 28th Aintree BARC 48km Hill Salvadori Hobbs May 12th Silverstone BRDC 56km Hill Parkes Sears Jun 11th Crystal Palace Whitsun 34km Salvadori Sears Baillie Jul 15th Snetterton Scott Brown 65km Hill Sachs (Chevrolet)Hutcheson (Riley) Jul 21st Aintree BARC 82km Sears Parkes Bailie Aug 6th Brands Molyslip 128km Parkes Sears Salvadori Sep 1st Oulton Park Gold Cup 80km Hill Sears Parkes Oct 6th Brands Motor 6 hour Parkes/Blumer Lindner/Nocker Aley/Hulme (Mini) All drivers in Jaguar 3.8s unless stated otherwise. Results extra May 12th 14th International Trophy meeting. 12 lap Touring Car race Hill Jag 3.8 Parkes " Sears " Hobbs " Kelsey 5.3 Chevrolet class Ireland Ford Trintignant " Haynes " Uren " class Harper Sunbeam Rapier Pilsworth " " Jopp " " Cuff-Miller " " class Love Mini Whitmore " Clare " Elizabeth Jones " Borrowman " Aley DKW Anita Taylor Anglia Last edited by carrera; 16 Nov 2003 at 19:59. |
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Jun 11th Goodwood 10 lap saloon car race
P J Woodroffe Jag 3.8 Sparrow " Byrne Mercedes Benz 220e (class winner) ------------------------------------------------------------ Jul 15th Scott Brown Memorial Trophy Touring Car race G Hill Jag 3.8 class up to 1000cc M Clare Mini Cooper class up to 2000cc A Hutcheson Riley class up to 3000cc G Hill Jag ------------------------------------------------------------ Jul 21st British GP Saloon Car race J Sears Jag 3.8 M Parkes " Sir G Baillie " P Dodd " P Harper Sunbeam Rapier J Love Cooper Mini BMC Miss Carlisle " " " P Jopp Sunbeam Rapier E Lewis Riley 1.5 J Whitmore Cooper Mini BMC P Pilsworth Sunbeam Rapier Miss Jones Cooper Mini BMC |
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Aug Molyslip Trophy Brands Hatch
Parkes Jag 3.8 Sears " Salvadori " class Love Mini ------------------------------------------------------------ Sep 1st Oulton Park Gold cup saloon car race 19 laps Hill Jag 3.8 Sears " Parkes " ------------------------------------------------------------ Oct 6th Brands 6 hour Parkes/Blumer Jag 3.8 Lindner/Nocker " Aley/Hulme Mini Cooper (win class up to 1000cc) Harper/Procter Sunbeam Rapier (win class up to 1600cc) Frescobaldi/Fiorio Lancia Flaminia (win class up to 3000cc) Carlisle/Galliford Morris Cooper Jopp/Pilsworth Sunbeam Rapier Uren/Haynes Ford Zodiac Whitmore/Blydenstein Morris Cooper Aston/Addicott Vauxhall VX 4/90 class up to 1300cc Foster/Hedges MG 1100 ------------------------------------------------------------ Oct 6th silverstone Clubmens championship saloon car race M A Young Ford Anglia Peer " " Woodroffe Jag 3.8 T M Young Anglia Hextall Tornado-Classic ------------------------------------------------------------ Dec 26th Brands 10 lap saloon car race Merfield Anglia Ashdown Cortina Aston Jag Whitmore Mini Cooper Peer Anglia ------------------------------------------------------------ 1962 champion John Love Mini Cooper |
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Just found a reason for cancellation of the opening round of 1979.
Snow at Brands Hatch again! |
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1970 Monday 30th March Thruxton
Race was entitled - Wills Three Castles race for Group 2 saloons ------------------------------------------------------------ Silverstone RAC Tourist Trophy (Gp 2) Heat one - 2 hours Muir Chevrolet Camaro Stommelen Hezemans Alfa Romeo GTAm Heat two- 2 hours Muir Gardner Ford Boss Mustang Hezemans Overall Muir Hezemans Gardner class McGovern Imp Class Marko BMW 1600 |
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Have also got March 14th listed under 1971 Touring Car Races - February 1972 Motor Sport. Craig do you want results and race titles for the season? |
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17 Nov 2003, 18:43 (Ref:786300) | #63 | |
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Blimey, Carrera, you have been busy! And now it looks as if I'm gonna be busy working out whether or not these meetings were part of the BRSCC/British Saloon Car Championship or not!! I wonder if there was any hint at this in the magazines where you sourced this info?
Ref 1971, do you know where this meeting was held? Thanks again - top stuff! |
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17 Nov 2003, 18:46 (Ref:786304) | #64 | |
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PS yes please to the results and titles
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17 Nov 2003, 19:02 (Ref:786341) | #65 | ||
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This is an aside really, but reasonably relevant to this thread.
About 8 years ago, in my capacity as a buyer for the world's leading tractor manufacturer, I began doing business with a company whose MD was a childhood hero of mine - Sir Gawaine Baillie. Through the years, our business meetings have generally ended with a chit-chat about the old days. He his reticent to talk about himself, but mention a contempary's name, and he'll recall the minutest facts. I've been trying to pin him down to get a proper interview or article together, but he's having none of it. I'm working on it, though. |
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17 Nov 2003, 19:20 (Ref:786373) | #66 | ||
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Not sure about this March 14th race, but the Race of Champions round (Hepolite-Glacier Trophy race, over 2 heats) was round 1 of the RAC Championship, on March 21.
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17 Nov 2003, 20:07 (Ref:786429) | #67 | ||
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1971 results from Motor Sport
Mar 14 Hepolite Trophy Mallory G B Birrell Escort TC P deBanks Escort 1.8 M Chittenden Anglia Mar 21 Hepolite Trophy Brands J Fitzpatrick Escort 1.8 B Muir Camaro G H Birrell Capri 3000 Apr 9 SKF Trophy Oulton D Matthews Escort 1.3 W McGovern Imp J Littler Escort 1.3 Apr 9 SKF Trophy Snetterton B Muir J Fitzpatrick M Thomas Camaro Apr 12 Yellow Pages Trophy Thruxton B Muir M Thomas D Leech Mustang May 8 GKN Trophy Silverstone B Muir F Gardner Camaro J Fitzpatrick May 31 Anerley Trophy Crystal Palace B Muir J Bloomfield Escort 1.8 R Mansfield " Jun 5 NCR Trophy Silverstone F Gardner B Muir M Thomas Jul 11 RAC Trophy Croft F Gardner B Muir T Taylor Escort 1.8 Jul 17 Morlands Trophy Silverstone B Muir M Thomas G H Birrell Aug 21 Hepolite Trophy Oulton B Muir J Fitzpatrick F Gardner Aug 30 NCR Trophy Brands J Fitzpatrick D Leech J Bloomfield Oct 24 NCR Trophy Brands G H Birrell B Muir J Bloomfield Looks like Apr 9 was split between the tiddlers and the big boys, odd they are at different circuits. Craig, for 1958 the 19th Jul and 4th Aug meetings appear to fit for championship as Sears A105 took the title. |
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17 Nov 2003, 20:26 (Ref:786448) | #68 | ||
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1972 results from 1973 Motor Sport
These differ slightly from your list. All are named Paper Chase. Mar 19 Brands F Gardner Camaro M Thomas Camaro D Matthews Escort RS 1600 Mar 31 Oulton B Muir Capri 2600 F Gardner D Leech Mustang Apr 3 Thruxton F Gardner D Matthews T Sanger Camaro Apr 22 Silverstone F Gardner B Muir D Matthews May 29 Crystal Palace B Muir G H Birrell Capri RS 2600 T Sanger Jul 15 Brands F Gardner D Brodie Escort RS1600 D Matthews Sep 16 Oulton F Gardner D Matthews T Sanger Oct 1 Mallory F Gardner D Matthews T Walkinshaw Escort RS 1600 Oct 22 Brands F Gardner B Muir D Matthews |
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17 Nov 2003, 20:49 (Ref:786475) | #69 | ||
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1973 results from 1974 Motor Sport
These are listed as RAC championship Group 2 saloons Mar 18 Brands F Gardner Camaro D Brodie Escort 2l A Rouse Escort 2l Apr 8 Siverstone B Muir BMW CSL A Rouse F Gardner Apr 23 Thruxton F Gardner B Muir D Brodie May 28 Thruxton F Gardner B Muir D Matthews Capri 3l July 14 Silverstone F Gardner D Howes AM Javelin J Buncombe Escort 2l Aug 27 Brands (short) F Gardner A Rouse J Buncombe There were also the following listed as Gp 2 races- May 20 Castrol championship Silverstone G Spice Capri 3l T Lanfranchi BMW 3l J Brindley Capri 3l Oct 21 Simoniz Trophy B Muir BMW CSL A Rouse Escort 2l F Gardner Camaro |
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17 Nov 2003, 21:13 (Ref:786505) | #70 | ||
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1972 The second Silverstone round in Craig's list is probably part of the C/ship.
In an article about Frank Gardner's Camaro it says the car took overall honours in 7 out of 10 rounds. It failed to finish one race, the Silverstone TT, when in collision with Brodie's Escort. Motor Sport has this race listed under European TCs. Sep 24 RAC TT Silverstone - two heats. J Mass/D Glemser Capri RS 2600 T Hezemans Capri RS 2600 T Walkinshaw Escort RS 1600 |
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17 Nov 2003, 21:45 (Ref:786532) | #71 | ||
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Craig,
If you need full(-ish) results for 1967-73, let me know, and I'll extract them from my database to an excel file or something |
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Excellent work folks - the gaps are starting to fill! Between you lot, Martin Hadwen (the BRSCC arhivist), TimD, some books that I own and some additional information that I have found on the web I think I have an idea of the 1958 calendar now:
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1958 BRSCC Saloon Car Championship 11 Rounds 1 7th April Brands Hatch 2 20th April Brands Hatch 3 3rd May Silverstone Daily Express Meeting 4 11th May Mallory Park 5 18th May Brands Hatch 6 8th June Brands Hatch 7 5th July Crystal Palace 8 19th July Silverstone British GP 9 4th August Brands Hatch 10 30th August Silverstone 11 5th October Brands Hatch |
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Righto... this is what we had for 1977:
[quote] 1977 RAC Tricentrol British Saloon Car Championship 12 Rounds - Group 1 Regs 1 6-7 March Silverstone International Trophy F2 2 20th March Brands Hatch Race Of Champions 3 8th April Oulton Park Gold Cup 4 9-11 April Thruxton European F2 5 8th May Donington Park 6 6th June Silverstone Tricentrol Trophy 7 19th June Thruxton F3 8 14-16 July Silverstone British GP 9 7th August Donington Park 10 29th August Brands Hatch 11 11th September Thruxton 12 16th October Brands Hatch [quote] But today I picked up a programme dated Friday 8th July 1977 at Donington. Top of the bill was 'Round 6 of the Tricentrol British Saloon Car Championship' :confused: Any thoughts?!! |
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Craig,
Autosport's report of that race says Round 7, and REPLACED the May round. Donington's first meeting was later in May than the 8th wasn't it? |
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