[Tech Issue] Double DRS banned for 2013

[miatanut]

Originally Posted by Marbot

They might get banned if they made the racing poorer or were found to be of no real relevance to the majority of road cars. Oh, wait.....

They would get banned because they would be a new, expensive, avenue and after everybody went through the expense of developing them, they would all be back to even. That was the story of F1 innovation. Nothing new there.

Carbon brakes didn't just happen. There were exploding rotors, drivers not liking the feel of them. There was a development curve.

Yes, many of F1's innovations ultimately detracted from the racing. As a kid, I thought the emergence of the wings was pretty cool. Now I realize they messed up the racing.

F1 used to be about building a better mousetrap. Now, it's about "the show."

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Originally Posted by miatanut

F1 used to be about building a better mousetrap. Now, it's about "the show."

I fully agree with you, currently it's a good product, but I worry they're starting to go a little too far in making the series more for television viewers with lower attention spans and less for innovation.

[luke g28]

Originally Posted by Marbot

They might get banned if they made the racing poorer or were found to be of no real relevance to the majority of road cars. Oh, wait.....

I cant see the point of better brakes on a road car either

The 2014 regs are nowhere near as radical as you make out.

If we allowed all of the performance increases we would probably have much closer racing as there would be none of this "wake" rubbish that stops cars following each other.

[S14]

Originally Posted by luke g28

I cant see the point of better brakes on a road car either

The 2014 regs are nowhere near as radical as you make out.

If we allowed all of the performance increases we would probably have much closer racing as there would be none of this "wake" rubbish that stops cars following each other.

Did the 'Fan Car' not produce dirty air behind it? I honestly don't know, but I'm assuming everyone would have a fan at the back if they were allowed all of the performance advancements F1 has seen. And that's assuming they wouldn't run wings in addition to the fan (which is a possibility, I admit).

That being said, we'd likely have to introduce G-Suits for the drivers in this series. And the safety cells would have to be rather extraordinary, given the speeds at which the inevitable shunts would occur.

Of course, in this Formula One (Libre), double DRS would have to be allowed, now wouldn't they?

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by S14

Did the 'Fan Car' not produce dirty air behind it?

Drivers following the fan car said that it spat gravel at them! There was also a concern about what would happen to a drivers feet should they run into the back of it. Remember, that a drivers feet were much further forwards, back then. Even today, I think that it would be banned on safety grounds.







Ouch!

[JeremySmith]

I thought this thread was about a double DRS system ?

[S14]

Originally Posted by Marbot

Drivers following the fan car said that it spat gravel at them! There was also a concern about what would happen to a drivers feet should they run into the back of it. Remember, that a drivers feet were much further forwards, back then. Even today, I think that it would be banned on safety grounds.





Ouch!

I suspect the gravel spitting/foot shredding tendencies could be dealt with - probably with mesh placed either in the fan intakes or at the rear of the assembly (probably the former, to prevent FOD) and with some sort of blade guard (or use of a Centrifugal or Crossflow type fan) respectively. Maybe they'd duct it such that it produces thrust.

I wonder if the stream from a rear mounted ducted fan would be worse than the turbulence in the wake of a wing, or if the (relatively) high velocity flow of the air would produce a larger low-pressure area behind the car? Maybe some bleed air, if you can really call it that, could be used to stall the wings (however many are present and wherever they are placed) instead of a passive DRS*? And it could be used to preserve laminar flow over the body, as necessary, to help keep the drag down.

*See, that was on topic, right?

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by luke g28

I cant see the point of better brakes on a road car either

At best, they are an expensive option on some high end supercars. Possibly a benefit for track days, and of little use elsewhere.

The ability to use the statement: 'My cars got carbon fibre brakes, just like an F1 car' is probably their biggest selling point.

Originally Posted by luke g28

The 2014 regs are nowhere near as radical as you make out.

They are probably the most open that they have ever been.

Originally Posted by luke g28

If we allowed all of the performance increases we would probably have much closer racing as there would be none of this "wake" rubbish that stops cars following each other.

That's absurd! You would end up with 500cc engines and g-force suits. Do you want F1 cars to have 500cc engines? Do you want the best driver to be the one that is less susceptible to g-forces? Is the racing not close enough now? Can the racing be too close?

Back to DDRS. I'm not really surprised that something like the DDRS might appear to be an innovative thing, but once everyone has them, it then becomes just another expensive complication to the overall design of an F1 car.

P.S. See revived thread for debate about other things not connected to the DDRS thread.