Masters Racing Series

[Hunter1300]

Originally Posted by Alex E

`DRM` suggests it must be a Capri or Escort ?? It`s not the Capri recently found still in it`s transporter where it had been since early `70`s is it ???

No its not a capri but that story sound very interesting...... please tell us more

Im led to believe the car i have tucked away in a very secure garage is a original zakspeed mk2 escort built as a privateer car, lots missing and in need or total restoration, found in a german barn the old gentleman spoke very little english
I went to buy NSU parts an when he opened his barn i saw a dirty old escort opening the bonnet no engine but the shell has it tell tail zakspeed chassis plate numbering, made him an offer there an then......

I either bought an old escort shell worth what i paid or bought an old escort worth what i paid x10

Gentleman wouldnt sell the E55 bbs rims made him BIG offer for them
Not a clue what he was intending to do with them thou

The car will not be worked on thou until i got NSU sorted and then done bit more research into zakspeed and there chassis numbers etc
Already know there were numerous variations on the shell.....

[Alex E]

Originally Posted by Hunter1300

No its not a capri but that story sound very interesting...... please tell us more

Im led to believe the car i have tucked away in a very secure garage is a original zakspeed mk2 escort built as a privateer car, lots missing and in need or total restoration, found in a german barn the old gentleman spoke very little english
I went to buy NSU parts an when he opened his barn i saw a dirty old escort opening the bonnet no engine but the shell has it tell tail zakspeed chassis plate numbering, made him an offer there an then......

I either bought an old escort shell worth what i paid or bought an old escort worth what i paid x10

Gentleman wouldnt sell the E55 bbs rims made him BIG offer for them
Not a clue what he was intending to do with them thou

The car will not be worked on thou until i got NSU sorted and then done bit more research into zakspeed and there chassis numbers etc
Already know there were numerous variations on the shell.....

Sounds very interesting.....

[Derwent Motorsp]

Talking of Masters. What has happened to Claire and John G, they never seem to post here now, either about Masters or 360MRC?

[MGDavid]

the Brands 2 Hours kept them busy for a while, there are threads on that one...

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by Alex E

`DRM` suggests it must be a Capri or Escort ?? It`s not the Capri recently found still in it`s transporter where it had been since early `70`s is it ???

Yes Alex I was just mucking about. The Escort sounds like a gem of a find.

Mind you, would be good to see a pukka Gr2 or 5 Mustang from the early 70's out there!

This Capri story sounds amazing, where was the trailor with it inside found?! What a find!

[Hunter1300]

Sorry hate to be a pain...... Anyone got the entry list yet?
are there many 70's tourers on the grid?

Im thinking of going on saturday for a wonder round the paddock etc. cant make the sunday due to family commitments.

[thebullet]

An entry list would be good!

[Moosehead]

Originally Posted by Al Weyman

Funny you should say that as this I think is something that needs looking into. Donington have 109 decible signs up all over the place but the scrutineers insist on 105 as apparently thats what it says in the Blue Book or something????? Confused you will be! Wayne Moosehead altered his Mustang exhaust to the 109 limit and failed scrutineering and had to bolt the extra mufflers on to pass.

Bit late to the party but here you go...........

At the Donington meet the circuit limit for the day was 118db so I assumed we could run to that. We couldn't!! According to the scrutineers on the day (and I saw all of them!!!) the circuit should not advertise the noise limit as such. The only cars that were allowed to be up to 118 on the day were those conforming to period regs competing in a period regs race. I have checked the Blue Book and this is indeed the case. So if I ran an AppK Mustang in a AppK race I could run 118, however, as my car is not AppK it (like all other non period spec saloons) has to run at 105 no matter what the circuit says the limit is as that is what the BB spec is. Absolutely crazy!!

[Alex E]

Originally Posted by Moosehead

Bit late to the party but here you go...........

At the Donington meet the circuit limit for the day was 118db so I assumed we could run to that. We couldn't!! According to the scrutineers on the day (and I saw all of them!!!) the circuit should not advertise the noise limit as such. The only cars that were allowed to be up to 118 on the day were those conforming to period regs competing in a period regs race. I have checked the Blue Book and this is indeed the case. So if I ran an AppK Mustang in a AppK race I could run 118, however, as my car is not AppK it (like all other non period spec saloons) has to run at 105 no matter what the circuit says the limit is as that is what the BB spec is. Absolutely crazy!!

Crazy indeed....but I have raced the same car at Doningtom with Masters several times before without silencing. As the race in question has an assortment of different cars it is a different situation to the Mustang example. Only explanation would be if they have put a 105bd limit in the general regs for this race series ?

[Mike Bell]

If you are talking about the Celebration 70s series it runs to 105db.

[gary396]

Originally Posted by thebullet

An entry list would be good!

Based on past experience Masters only tend to make the entry lists public a day or two before the event. Might be better this time but I wouldn't count on it.

[ChrisA]

Unfortunately, due to various reasons, the ''The A-Team'' will not be there this year to safe-guard your interests on track. Have a safe and successful meeting.

[morninggents]

Originally Posted by Alex E

That really is crazy , I asked about the noise limit at Oulton Gold Cup & was told it was 105 bd. Thats the only reason I didn`t go there.

Alex, I mentioned in the Oulton Park Gold Cup thread (in answer to your query) on 18th July (the date the entries opened) that as it was an HSCC meeting that usual HSCC silencing limits would apply and that I thought saloons were 105 dba. This turned out to be correct at that point. What I didn't know at that stage is that there was a JD Classics race and that they had a different (108 dba) silencing limit. I found this out in the final instructions which are undated but presumably issued after the closing date for entries on 13th August. Sorry if you feel misled but a call to HSCC or JD Classics would have answered your query.

[Alex E]

Originally Posted by morninggents

Alex, I mentioned in the Oulton Park Gold Cup thread (in answer to your query) on 18th July (the date the entries opened) that as it was an HSCC meeting that usual HSCC silencing limits would apply and that I thought saloons were 105 dba. This turned out to be correct at that point. What I didn't know at that stage is that there was a JD Classics race and that they had a different (108 dba) silencing limit. I found this out in the final instructions which are undated but presumably issued after the closing date for entries on 13th August. Sorry if you feel misled but a call to HSCC or JD Classics would have answered your query.

No problem, it is all very confusing. 108db is not really much help anyway. It seems single seaters often have a 108 limit on the same day as saloons have a 105 db limit ?
I checked on Masters website & Mike is correct that it is written in the regs that it is 105db. Obviously they have no possibility to alter it for individual race meetings regadless of circuit noise limits.

[Hunter1300]

Originally Posted by Alex E

No problem, it is all very confusing. 108db is not really much help anyway. It seems single seaters often have a 108 limit on the same day as saloons have a 105 db limit ?
I checked on Masters website & Mike is correct that it is written in the regs that it is 105db. Obviously they have no possibility to alter it for individual race meetings regadless of circuit noise limits.

Id double check with masters regardless of what the web site says...... Oulton J.D classics im sure said it was 105 db but as it was my first race with a new car i asked about noise testing to be told they werent testing anyone.... that was Monday but not sure about the rest of the days..... so still no clue how loud the old girl is......
Ha thou not sure which was louder at the finish..... big ends mains or the exhaust!

[Al Weyman]

Thinking about it I think its actually quite fair especially if running in a championship, if the regs say the car must be built to 105db to run presumably at most circuits in the UK then you happen to go to one that allows a higher db it would disadvantage those who couldnt simply change the exhaust and then revert back to 105 again (like on my cars for example as it would be a total impractical pain in the butt) as running the open exhausts would undoubtable be a performance advantage.

[terence]

Originally Posted by ChrisA

Unfortunately, due to various reasons, the ''The A-Team'' will not be there this year to safe-guard your interests on track. Have a safe and successful meeting.

One of those reasons being,not wanting to do it,for various reasons.A certain person might read this and know the answer.

[Rudernst]

Is the entry list still a secret ?

nothing on the website

Rudolf

[retrognome]

Originally Posted by Rudernst

Is the entry list still a secret ?

nothing on the website

Rudolf

We need it as well for preview. Bit of a nuisance

[gary396]

That's the norm for Masters I'm afraid.

[Rudernst]

Originally Posted by Al Weyman

Thinking about it I think its actually quite fair especially if running in a championship, if the regs say the car must be built to 105db to run presumably at most circuits in the UK then you happen to go to one that allows a higher db it would disadvantage those who couldnt simply change the exhaust and then revert back to 105 again (like on my cars for example as it would be a total impractical pain in the butt) as running the open exhausts would undoubtable be a performance advantage.

You have hit the nail on the head.
This is not "crazy" it is just the rules applied.
Anybody who reads the regulations that apply to what he is racing in,would have known
Championship rules are published and registered wiht MSA BEFORE the season.
These cant be changed during the season.
Common sense dictates the noise limit of the entire championship to be defined by the "quitest" track on the championship circuit.

and, yes it would be unfair to arbitrarily favor cars that do not confirm to championship regs at certain circuits.

Rudolf

[Greem]

Provisional entry list is out.

[retrognome]

Originally Posted by Greem

Provisional entry list is out.

Many thanks

[Greem]

Originally Posted by Rudernst

I have entered my March 721 in the GPM race.

Very nice it looks too Rudolf, at least from where I am at post 14 (McLeans).

Some beautiful machinery out there today. If only it wasn't so cold!

[Leemo43]

I'm going on the Sunday, not been to Donington before, really looking forward to it