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Old 26 May 2012, 11:20 (Ref:3079450)   #1
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Maldonado 'chop' on Perez

Near the end of FP3 Pastor appeared to chop Perez on the approach to the tunnel entry.
Just wondered who saw and what your thoughts were.
On PlanetF1's forum there is already a massive thread about this and almost everyone wants Maldonado to receive a ban (some even permanent).
Anyone think it could've been accidental?
Herbert, Brundle and Hill think it was deliberate. If so, whatsort of punishment can be expected?
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Old 26 May 2012, 11:34 (Ref:3079454)   #2
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Should get at least a race ban for that. Same applies to the MSC incident.

Just a 10 place penalty received. Considering hamiltons dsq last week that seems like a slap on the wrist at most.
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Old 26 May 2012, 11:34 (Ref:3079455)   #3
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Over on autosport forums, some people seem to think it was either a mistake or EVEN Perez's fault!
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Old 26 May 2012, 12:23 (Ref:3079468)   #4
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Old 26 May 2012, 12:34 (Ref:3079472)   #5
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Just a 10 place penalty received. Considering hamiltons dsq last week that seems like a slap on the wrist at most.
Technical regs vs sporting regs...
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Old 26 May 2012, 12:56 (Ref:3079475)   #6
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Punishments received should be comparable across different infractions.

Plus it is completely deliberate.
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Old 26 May 2012, 13:26 (Ref:3079494)   #7
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Punishments received should be comparable across different infractions.

Plus it is completely deliberate.
Running a car dry of fuel could be deemed as deliberate too.
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Old 26 May 2012, 13:40 (Ref:3079504)   #8
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I assumed he got a penalty for an engine change. Ffs.

The rules.
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Old 26 May 2012, 14:51 (Ref:3079523)   #9
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I think he just oversteered, slid wide and then clipped Perez, no deliberate intention.
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Old 26 May 2012, 15:11 (Ref:3079535)   #10
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Maybe he didn't see Perez...
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I think he just oversteered, slid wide and then clipped Perez, no deliberate intention.
if that was the case they'd have been able to prove it with data surely?
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Old 26 May 2012, 15:25 (Ref:3079541)   #12
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Oh no he defo turned in a bit early. Had something happened earlier round the lap?

Mind you if he was trying to mess with Checo's head it worked.
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Old 26 May 2012, 16:40 (Ref:3079568)   #13
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He's probably going to have to change his gearbox now. Does that make you all any happier?

Hamilton's penalty was McLaren's penalty. You break the technical regulations and you can be disqualified (think Button and BAR). It doesn't go to the stewards to decide the penalty because it's a straight forward infringement of the technical regulations.

Maldonado, on the other hand, wasn't breaking any technical regulations - just his own car along with other drivers cars.
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Old 26 May 2012, 18:09 (Ref:3079595)   #14
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That naughty Maldonado..

Trying very hard, and around Monaco this stuff happens....
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Old 26 May 2012, 22:07 (Ref:3079667)   #15
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Running a car dry of fuel could be deemed as deliberate too.
Very true, but unlikely to endanger another driver whereas deliberately chopping another car is.

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Old 26 May 2012, 22:16 (Ref:3079671)   #16
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Very true, but unlikely to endanger another driver whereas deliberately chopping another car is.

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You won't get any arguement out of me that it was dangerous and stupid. The point i was trying to make to young Luke is that, yes, Maldo's chop was proberbly deliberate, but equally McLaren underfuelling Lewis's car could equally be deliberate.

As for the severity of the penalties, take that up with Charlie, The FIA and the stewards.
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Old 26 May 2012, 22:29 (Ref:3079676)   #17
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I said last year he shouldn't have raced after Belgium and if it had been the case maybe he'd have learned. Seriosly underpunished again. Welcome back in Germany mate?
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Old 26 May 2012, 23:14 (Ref:3079685)   #18
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I seem to remember Eddie Irvine getting a 3 race ban for running into somebody early in his F1 career, would such a ban be more appropriate in Maldonado's case?
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Has Maldonado publically apologised? Did he have motive for cutting Perez off like that?

If he hasn't apologised then it must have been deliberate, and it's even worse now that it caused Perez to crash into the wall in q1. By deliberate I mean he probably wanted to give Perez a heall of a fright, but maybe just miss him, or maybe just clip the front wing. But he miss-timed it completely.

If he really did bang wheels intentionally, then I'd say he should be at the back of the grid.

MSC was just a racing error, he shouldn't be dropping 5 spots for it.
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MSC was just a racing error, he shouldn't be dropping 5 spots for it.
But he destroyed some elses race in the process and the consequences could have been more serious. A 5 place penalty should send a message as MSC has previous.
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The guy behaved like a tosshead again. Hamilton sent to the back of the grid in Spain, Maldonado only ten places in Monaco. Fine rulemaking there.

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Oh noo. In fact, he's criticised the stewards' inconsistent handling of penalties! I suppose being Chavez's mate may have brought him megalomaniac qualities. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99916
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The guy behaved like a tosshead again. Hamilton sent to the back of the grid in Spain, Maldonado only ten places in Monaco. Fine rulemaking there.
There are rules for technical infringements and rules for driver infringements. McLaren were the 'tossheads' two weeks ago. It's a TEAM sport, after all.
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McLaren were silly, but when I say tosshead I say a driver who is reckless and risks injuring others unneccesarily, the kind of driver who would for instance break a marshall's legs. Hopefully he will be suitably punished tomorrow with a poor race in the midfield.
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I have said it once and I will say it again, Pastor Maldonado is a dirty driver and for his actions today should not race in Monaco..
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