what is happening to DC? - Page 2

Mr V · 3 Mar 2002, 14:10 (Ref:226811)

the beginning of the end for dc at mclaren imo, now they know that kimi can do the biz, they will start looking to him to lead the team as dc won't be there next year!!

BBKing · 3 Mar 2002, 14:20 (Ref:226814)

It made me remember Monza 95. God is hard to be a DC fan....LOL

His car was not up the task. Total **** like is usual for McLaren for the first 3 races

MrTTraces · 3 Mar 2002, 14:21 (Ref:226815)

Dc is given a championship winning car EVERY yr and what does he do......**** all with it!!!!!!1

enemy-ace · 3 Mar 2002, 14:30 (Ref:226823)

Give the guy a break, I think it was pretty obvious that the car had some serious problems which were well out of DC's control.The guy is one of the few on the grid who has never backed away from a fight, and believe it or not has consistently gotten better every year.

Tristan · 3 Mar 2002, 15:04 (Ref:226850)

Yes, but hold on. After the restart and DC plowed on, was the car at fault then?? If so, fine. If not, that's a classsic example of PANTS driving by DC. We don't know the answers.

BBKing · 3 Mar 2002, 15:14 (Ref:226861)

You don't know what. McLaren said that it was a problem with the gear box. If you don't want to believe that then fine.

Tristan · 3 Mar 2002, 15:24 (Ref:226871)

That's my point. I haven't a clue whether the 'box had started not wanting to downshift by then. HOWEVER, I'm not SURE if that was the case. He seemed to be on the pace for a good few more laps, which makes me think that when it came to the restart it was most likely to have been driver error. IF it was driver error, it's stupid, sloppy mistakes like that that cost you titles, David, and they seriousley erode your credibility.

Mania · 3 Mar 2002, 16:00 (Ref:226905)

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Originally posted by Tristan
IF it was driver error, it's stupid, sloppy mistakes like that that cost you titles, David, and they seriousley erode your credibility.

True - good point. Either way, Raikonnen has certainly had the better weekend given his status as a new comer in the team. I think he may have slighly rattled DC's cage which quite frankly, isent too hard to do !

But if Kimi stays ahead in the next race or two - then thats when the real fun starts for ol DC!

Total-F1 · 3 Mar 2002, 16:17 (Ref:226922)

Ron Dennis would be the first person to let everyone know if DC had slipped up. Remember the brain fade incident in Spain?

Raikkonen? Had a lazy race. He got Montoya in his sights and gave up after that - he was happy to take 3rd, and that shouldn't be the mindset of a McLaren driver - DC was keen to plough on and see if he could get any points at all

Gt_R · 3 Mar 2002, 16:23 (Ref:226928)

Kimi was pushing rather hard initially, and could close the gap...but after JPM could pull some time back out a couple of times, Kimi seem to give up and decides to cruise...settling for a pit fight...then the mistakes roll in..

But still, he had managed to keep pace with JPM, and din't do too badly. We'd see how things progress.

EERO · 3 Mar 2002, 17:14 (Ref:226968)

Come on Tristan. Coulthard has always admitted his own mistakes and as Total-F1 said, would be the first to incur Dennis' wrath for a mistake. He says that car went into neutral at the restart pitching him into the grass and I have no reason not to believe him. Your obvious bias is clouding your judgement. You'd rather believe that it was "pants" driving than a screwy gearbox?

The_Z_Man · 3 Mar 2002, 18:04 (Ref:227009)

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Originally posted by Tristan
Yes, but hold on. After the restart and DC plowed on, was the car at fault then?? If so, fine. If not, that's a classsic example of PANTS driving by DC. We don't know the answers.

Then I kindly refer you to my previous post . If you have better evidence, feel free to provide it.

The_Z_Man

The_Z_Man · 3 Mar 2002, 18:08 (Ref:227015)

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Originally posted by Mania
True - good point. Either way, Raikonnen has certainly had the better weekend given his status as a new comer in the team.

Got outqualified ny .7 s, and DC was taken out because of mechanical gremlins.

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I think he may have slighly rattled DC's cage

What has he done to do so ?

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which quite frankly, isent too hard to do !

It is ? DC is the guy who got spanked by MH in 1998, and who managed to reel him back.

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But if Kimi stays ahead in the next race or two - then thats when the real fun starts for ol DC!

The_Z_Man

Raoul Duke · 3 Mar 2002, 19:27 (Ref:227091)

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Originally posted by Mania
not to mention him being passed by BOTH MINARDIS - a team he has bad mouthed at every given opportunity.

Take that is what the Minardi team is saying to DC

look, I'm not DC's biggest fan(I do kind of support him in a way) but the reason that the minardi's got past is because his car was in trouble. Blaming it on his own lack of skill is utterly ridiculous

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Alan Jones · 3 Mar 2002, 19:29 (Ref:227094)

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Originally posted by The_Z_Man

The_Z_Man

Anyone here remember AGGY ?

The_Z_Man · 3 Mar 2002, 20:17 (Ref:227141)

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Originally posted by AlanJones
Anyone here remember AGGY ?

I for one don't. Who was/is he ?

The_Z_Man

Alan Jones · 3 Mar 2002, 20:26 (Ref:227148)

A Famous member of the forum who is no longer with us.

The_Z_Man · 3 Mar 2002, 20:29 (Ref:227157)

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Originally posted by AlanJones
A Famous member of the forum who is no longer with us.

Ah. And what's the connection to me ?

The_Z_Man

DSMJUNIOR · 3 Mar 2002, 20:36 (Ref:227169)

Don't I remember TGF's car (Benetton, 95?) once being jammed in 5th (from 6 gears)? Similar to what happened to DC today.(6th from 7).
Different result though, TGF ended up on the podium.
Maybe I remember wrongly?

Speed · 3 Mar 2002, 20:38 (Ref:227170)

He was a JPM´s basher, but I can´t find the connection to you either...

Alan Jones · 3 Mar 2002, 20:41 (Ref:227177)

You reminded me of Aggy due to the way you posted. All the best anyway and enjoy the forum.

Speed · 3 Mar 2002, 20:46 (Ref:227181)

But the Top One of the 10/10´s Top Forumers is "Dancing Machine" I guess...

But that´s another issue, Valve Bounce can tell you the whole story later...

Alan Jones · 3 Mar 2002, 20:46 (Ref:227182)

They were one and the same Speed.

Number Juan · 3 Mar 2002, 20:47 (Ref:227184)

i cant remember aggy AJ, why do you say that Z man reminds you of him? :confused:

The_Z_Man · 3 Mar 2002, 20:56 (Ref:227192)

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Originally posted by DSMJUNIOR
Don't I remember TGF's car (Benetton, 95?) once being jammed in 5th (from 6 gears)?

Actually, it was Spain 1994.

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Similar to what happened to DC today.(6th from 7).

Not exactly the same. His Benetton developped the problem latter and it was predicatble one: The box stuck once in 5th and that was it. And the engine was different to a 3.5L V8 with a lot of torque. Not to say that Schumacher had it easy, it was one of his finest drives.

Coulthard McLaren developped the problem earlier and it was a tricky one, sometimes the gearbox would work at others, it would shift on it's own on neutral under braking, then played a new trick by sticking in 6th, beaching DC for good.

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Different result though, TGF ended up on the podium.
Maybe I remember wrongly?

The_Z_Man

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