24h Nürburgring/VLN - Page 57

lemansfan · 16 Oct 2011, 18:47 (Ref:2972050)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lemansf...7627780088841/

For those without FB Account .

**FIRE** · 16 Oct 2011, 19:05 (Ref:2972061)

I prefer this car over the LFA.

TF110 · 16 Oct 2011, 19:27 (Ref:2972079)

Are you a millionaire? I think most would 'prefer' this car over the LFA.

lemansfan · 17 Oct 2011, 18:42 (Ref:2972791)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lemansf...7627791949837/

Pics from Round 9 can be found here

AndrewF31 · 17 Oct 2011, 20:52 (Ref:2972901)

Nice photos, especially that M1.

racerspics · 18 Oct 2011, 22:32 (Ref:2973555)

Pics of VLN Round 9

Acid09 · 19 Oct 2011, 11:47 (Ref:2973787)

What's up with Toyota stealing their livery ideas from BMW?

Victor_RO · 31 Oct 2011, 17:42 (Ref:2979687)

DSC has a headline about Porsche withdrawing factory support from the VLN... any more details? Does this also concern the factory drivers that have been racing around the place in the VLN and Nurburgring 24h? (not subscribed (if you're reading this mr Goodwin, sorry), can't read the article)

Speed-King · 31 Oct 2011, 17:45 (Ref:2979690)

Apparently Porsche and Manthey are fed up with the way BoP is handeled at the Ring and in GT3 in general, so Manthey will keep on fielding customer teams, but the yellow-green flagship car with the factory drivers is probably gone (along with the hybrid).

Rumor has it, Manthey will do WEC next year.

Deleted · 31 Oct 2011, 19:11 (Ref:2979745)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

Apparently Porsche and Manthey are fed up with the way BoP is handeled at the Ring and in GT3 in general

Comes as a zero surprise after this year's final straw aka "let's adjust the performance and pick our favourites one more time while there's still four hours left till the start!"

GT2 program from such class act would be warmly welcomed, there are never enough porkie factory efforts.

lemansfan · 31 Oct 2011, 19:56 (Ref:2979771)

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...9687658&type=3

Goodbye Manthey Porsche . We will miss you !!!

Acid09 · 31 Oct 2011, 20:13 (Ref:2979778)

Rumor has it that Manthey will become the new semi-works effort for Porsche in the WEC.

Olaf Manthey said they´re looking to do stuff on an "international level" from now on...so that may hint at that as well.

FordCosworthPanoz · 31 Oct 2011, 20:29 (Ref:2979784)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Apparently Porsche and Manthey are fed up with the way BoP is handeled at the Ring and in GT3 in general, so Manthey will keep on fielding customer teams, but the yellow-green flagship car with the factory drivers is probably gone (along with the hybrid).

Rumor has it, Manthey will do WEC next year.

Lucas Luhr pretty much summed up the whole issue in his interview during the race. Even after all the BoP craziness (not a fault of BoP itself, just this particular race and organizer) Manthey (and BMW for that matter) still beat Audi and Mercedes Benz.

A team with the excellence of Manthey will surely be welcomed to the WEC and of course the Le Mans 24 itself, but a huge loss for the Ring.

Nick6 · 31 Oct 2011, 20:30 (Ref:2979786)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Apparently Porsche and Manthey are fed up with the way BoP is handeled at the Ring and in GT3 in general, so Manthey will keep on fielding customer teams, but the yellow-green flagship car with the factory drivers is probably gone (along with the hybrid).

Rumor has it, Manthey will do WEC next year.

BOP strikes again.

Speed-King · 31 Oct 2011, 20:37 (Ref:2979789)

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

Lucas Luhr pretty much summed up the whole issue in his interview during the race. Even after all the BoP craziness (not a fault of BoP itself, just this particular race and organizer) Manthey (and BMW for that matter) still beat Audi and Mercedes Benz.

A team with the excellence of Manthey will surely be welcomed to the WEC and of course the Le Mans 24 itself, but a huge loss for the Ring.

Actually, I am not sure, how much of this is actual outrage over the BoP and how much just a pretext for a) leaving VLN without seeming like cowards and b) letting Audi get their win at the Ring.

Because let's face it - Olaf Manthey knows how to play the BoP to his favor (24hours 2010, anyone!?) and if the Porsche was indeed that crippled, how did it do an 8.04 during the last VLN race's practise session!?
Even having Marc Lieb in the car doesn't really explain how the oh-so-uncompetitive GT3R went faster in its last race than ever before...

FordCosworthPanoz · 31 Oct 2011, 20:49 (Ref:2979795)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Actually, I am not sure, how much of this is actual outrage over the BoP and how much just a pretext for a) leaving VLN without seeming like cowards and b) letting Audi get their win at the Ring.

Because let's face it - Olaf Manthey knows how to play the BoP to his favor (24hours 2010, anyone!?) and if the Porsche was indeed that crippled, how did it do an 8.04 during the last VLN race's practise session!?
Even having Marc Lieb in the car doesn't really explain how the oh-so-uncompetitive GT3R went faster in its last race than ever before...

Never thought of that, but this actually makes a lot of sense.

Deleted · 31 Oct 2011, 21:54 (Ref:2979821)

Here's that GT3, GT2 and exp BoP sheet used in the final race of the season, if anyone's interested:

AndrewF31 · 31 Oct 2011, 23:02 (Ref:2979857)

If we see that emblematic color scheme at LM, I wouldn't be that sad. However, it's a shame to lose such an icon of the N24 and VLN after so many years.

NaBUru38 · 31 Oct 2011, 23:45 (Ref:2979879)

Doesn't the ACO have troubles with equalizing front-engined, mid-engined rear-engined, high-revving, turbocharged and no-replacement-for-dsplacement cars as well?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Actually, I am not sure, how much of this is actual outrage over the BoP and how much just a pretext for a) leaving VLN without seeming like cowards

What? It would be very easy to say "we won a lot at the Nordschleife, so we are strong enough to move on to La Sarthe and the FIA World Endurance Championship".

Anyway, Manthey might be a better option for Porsche than Felbermayr. Or perhaps Felbermayr will do the 2014 LMP1 programme?

Ferrari333SP · 1 Nov 2011, 01:42 (Ref:2979916)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Actually, I am not sure, how much of this is actual outrage over the BoP and how much just a pretext for a) leaving VLN without seeming like cowards and b) letting Audi get their win at the Ring.

Because let's face it - Olaf Manthey knows how to play the BoP to his favor (24hours 2010, anyone!?) and if the Porsche was indeed that crippled, how did it do an 8.04 during the last VLN race's practise session!?
Even having Marc Lieb in the car doesn't really explain how the oh-so-uncompetitive GT3R went faster in its last race than ever before...

If you took out the main Nurburgring F1 circuit from that 8:04 time, what do you think the lap time would be then? Close to Bellof's 6:11 Nordschleife-only record?

Speed-King · 1 Nov 2011, 02:59 (Ref:2979927)

Well, GT-Masters raced on the Kurzanbindung of the GP-Strecke this summer and they did times around 1.26, that is however for the full lap, which you don't have in the VLN configuration as you turn on the Nordschleife before the final turn and the main straight. So that part probably accounts for something like 1.15 (give or take a bit).

My best guess would therefore be somewhere in the high 6.40s or low 6.50s for the Nordschleife only...

911targa · 1 Nov 2011, 05:32 (Ref:2979962)

Couldn't expect a better news,isn't Manthey the first team to run a pair of 996 GT3 R at 1999 LM24 and also the first one enter 2 997 GT3 RSR@2006 Spa24?

If the rumor is true,very likely Dumas,Bernhard and Luhr will race for the team and even no longer drive Audi P1.

Anyway Haribo and other Manthey branches,Frikadelli,Pinta and Falken will again run GT3 R at VLN/Ring24 in the future.Maybe Kremer will pick one or two real GT3 R next year,too.

Carsandmotorracing · 1 Nov 2011, 06:18 (Ref:2979976)

Damn, although on the plus side no hybrid

Carsandmotorracing · 1 Nov 2011, 06:18 (Ref:2979977)

Damn, although on the plus side no hybrid

Spyderman · 1 Nov 2011, 11:47 (Ref:2980089)

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911targa

If the rumor is true,very likely Dumas,Bernhard and Luhr will race for the team and even no longer drive Audi P1.

No, I think we will see Bernhard and Dumas with Audi until 2013. (for the "big" races)

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