Formula E

[Heardy1982]

This may or may not have been spoken about already apologies if it has anyone heard how they are going to marshal this? I take it this will be marshalled like all other events and will require marshals not sure how it will be as an event in London but would be worth going to see/ marshal at and see what it is like

[katrina.kershaw.7]

They're all street circuits, so I'd imagine similar to monaco. 1st race is Beijing round the Olympic stadium. They're testing at dono Thursday so maybe it'll be clearer after that

[Greem]

Battersea Park is the location for "our" round:

http://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2...-revealed.aspx

Which club will hold the permit? Place bets now!

[Bodysnatcher]

MSV(R) - on behalf of IMS is my guess
the Battersea location was known 3 months ago.

This is the bit you won't like - as for marshalling - perhaps only Observers/flags/lights and a response team or 3 trained specifically to deal with electrical issues.

This of course is all supposition, but since we no longer have cars filled with flammable hydrocarbons surely there is no need for people in flameproof suits every 100m

[Guinness2702]

Originally Posted by Bodysnatcher

This of course is all supposition, but since we no longer have cars filled with flammable hydrocarbons surely there is no need for people in flameproof suits every 100m

Fire-fighting is not the only thing incident marshals do.

[Woolley]

Batteries have been known to catch fire too. Ask Boeing...

[Bodysnatcher]

Originally Posted by Guinness2702

Fire-fighting is not the only thing incident marshals do.

Indeed - but it is a major driver of the numbers required on the bank. This is a new show so I think the old ways could well be redundant.

[Bodysnatcher]

Originally Posted by Woolley

Batteries have been known to catch fire too. Ask Boeing...

As somebody on the Le Mans post where the Zeod and the leading Toyota retired, as well as having a Ferrari with a control ECU fire, I understand electrics can well be ignition sources - but they tend to smoulder rather than conflagrate.

It could well be safer to have specialists in dealing with electrical issues in the BMW i3 response vehicles deal with any issues whilst the field toodles round for a few laps behind the BMW i7 safety car.
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[NICK ALLISON]

A ten minute walk for me then .Umm(thinks) I wonder if I am paying for this ?

[NICK ALLISON]

Originally Posted by Greem

Battersea Park is the location for "our" round:

http://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2...-revealed.aspx

Which club will hold the permit? Place bets now!

They can race with the ferule kids on the un licensed un insured motorcycles !

[Steve Fox]

It may be useful to find out which particular skill set would be required to effectively Marshal incidents on electric/hybrid cars and to get trained up on those skills. I suspect that non fia/msa qualifications won't carry any weight (just as medical qualifications etc don't) but it would be nice to be confident that one could cope with an incident without burning yourself (or worse) After many years of working on high voltage equipment I instinctively only touch gear with one hand but it is very easy to forget to do that with a car.

[Bodysnatcher]

to assist with the odd post above

ferrule :A ring or cap, typically a metal one, which strengthens the end of a handle, stick, or tube and prevents it from splitting or wearing.
or
feral : existing in a wild state

but still not exactly sure what you are saying?

Mr Fox - that's kind of what I am getting at - new skills required - and Marigolds of course

[katrina.kershaw.7]

I'm sure a team of electrical geniuses will be brilliant at pushing a broken down car or getting a driver out of a crashed vehicle. Has anyone told them taku is racing?

[deadsquirrel]

Originally Posted by katrina.kershaw.7

I'm sure a team of electrical geniuses will be brilliant at pushing a broken down car or getting a driver out of a crashed vehicle. Has anyone told them taku is racing?

Well, as a marshal of long standing, and someone who works with prototype Hybrid vehicles on a daily basis, and marshalled recently when Taku is racing, I should be ok at these tasks

[numbersix]

Well, we are a free resource, so it's not as if they need to reduce costs as well as safety. Of course, they'll need more Portaloos...

Despite my love of petrol powered noise, I'm looking forward to seeing Formula E live. It's an honest car - does what it says on the tin - unlike hybrids which IMHO should be in Formula H, not 1.

[Guinness2702]

Originally Posted by Bodysnatcher

Indeed - but it is a major driver of the numbers required on the bank. This is a new show so I think the old ways could well be redundant.

Also:-

Having enough dispersed cover that incidents can be reached quickly to ascertain driver condition.
Having enough people to manhandle a car out of the way, quickly.
Having enough people to deal with cleanup (large oils spills, debris, etc.) quickly.
As has already been mentioned, fuel is not the only flammable material in a car.

I'd be surprised if the removal of fuel from the equation will have a dramatic effect on organisers' evaluation of marshalling requirements.

[Woolley]

I guess they're going on the American model. Flag (lights?) and comms trackside, everything else FCY and fast response.

What sort of track are they building around Battersea?

[Apple]

Electric cars are not for me so one less marshal space needed

[Steve Fox]

Originally Posted by Apple

Electric cars are not for me so one less marshal space needed

Nor me BUT Saturday afternoon at the FOS just shortly after having laid several bags of dust on the course in came a fully electric Toyota and wiped the back off the car. Although the driver insisted that the power was off it was clear that it wasn't but we did not have the experience to know how to isolate it further than switching the dash off. Looking at the numbers involved it is very likely that the batteries can't be physically disconnected from the power controller but I don't know that for sure. That's the point. I should know that.

[Bodysnatcher]

Same as Loic Duval's crash on the first day at Le Mans - nothing done until the Audi engineers came and declared the car safe.

[numbersix]

I think the technology is so new that they don't themselves know a correct, standardized protocol to deal with incidents other than giving us those 'orrible gloves. No doubt this will be given in due course.

[EvilPumpkin]

Originally Posted by Guinness2702

I'd be surprised if the removal of fuel from the equation will have a dramatic effect on organisers' evaluation of marshalling requirements.

So basically back to what Al was saying then - some observers and some flags/lights!

[The Fat Clerk]

This old Observer is certainly keen to do the event

[Bodysnatcher]

Originally Posted by EvilPumpkin

So basically back to what Al was saying then - some observers and some flags/lights!

with a response team that includes the powertrain engineers from Formula E (or as katrina so succinctly put it electrical geniuses) who will tell if it's safe to push it away - so the incident team may as well be in the same car as the boffin.

QED only observer/coms/flag/lights round the circuit.

[EvilPumpkin]

I don't see why electrical genii can't push cars. IT people do it all the time