Loading of vehicles on flatbeds

Peat · 21 Nov 2013, 07:51 (Ref:3334675)

Incorrect using of: http://youtu.be/y0YY4hHe2A8

Clip from this year's Macau GP.

Make sure the vehicle is fully on the bed and that there is no tension in the strops.

PVDA · 21 Nov 2013, 09:29 (Ref:3334704)

Some recovery marshals seem to think it's acceptable to "3/4 Lift" cars like this.

Not a good idea with all the weight of the engine hanging over the end of the tray.

I know of one car where the driver was able to get out of the car after the crash but after it was 3/4 lifted the doors were jammed shut all of a sudden

They might save 20 seconds but can do thousands of dollars of unseen damage to the chassis of the vehicle.

SteveR · 21 Nov 2013, 10:53 (Ref:3334728)

Both cars have the same problem - neither is strapped down to the flatbed! No recovery operator should be moving cars that are not properly secured, no matter how much grief is coming over the radio from race control.

The second car (PVDA's) doesnt just worry me because it is hanging off the flatbed. What really scares me is that they appear to be relying on a loaded winch cable attached to the towing eye to hold the car in place. Hands up all those who have seen a towing eye fail... Yes, that would be most of us.

Frankly, I wouldn't like to have to explain to the Coroner why either of these cars finished up on top of someone, or why they were not properly secured.

Pistonbroke · 21 Nov 2013, 11:29 (Ref:3334738)

I think the recovery driver in Macau is Mr Head's little boy Richard....

**Woolley** · 21 Nov 2013, 13:43 (Ref:3334773)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peat

Make sure the vehicle is fully on the bed and that there is no tension in the strops.

I think there's a little more wrong than that. Not stropped, front not even touching the bed, lifting the crane to release the vehicle when your colleague is standing in the line of fire...

Keystone cops would have been proud of this.

wolfhound · 21 Nov 2013, 19:43 (Ref:3334904)

The drivers must be the best behaved I have seen in a lomg time no safety car boards and accompaning yellows, or white flags for that matter.

I notice they only put out the double yellows as the field went past!

Paul Newns · 21 Nov 2013, 20:08 (Ref:3334914)

Holy c""p. Have these guys had any training, do you think?

And the marshals just have tabards and T shirts!

wolfhound · 21 Nov 2013, 20:14 (Ref:3334916)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Newns

Holy c""p. Have these guys had any training, do you think?

And the marshals just have tabards and T shirts!

It's very surprising given they have a major international event every year.

TrueBlueFlyer · 21 Nov 2013, 21:45 (Ref:3334944)

now that the Macau GP and United States GP will not fall on the same weekend, maybe a good time to sign up and have a look-see for myself

katrina.kershaw.7 · 21 Nov 2013, 22:37 (Ref:3334969)

Scary stuff, could've been some serious injury aswell as the damage to the car there! There's clearly no standard international procedure to secure it? If not there should be

wolfhound · 21 Nov 2013, 22:47 (Ref:3334974)

Some more of the Macau chaos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsucUeezpZw

But we know what toring car drivers are like.

SouthportFC Fan · 22 Nov 2013, 10:45 (Ref:3335151)

Excellent stuff !!!

I wonder what the team thought of having their car spread over half the circuit after it had been collected by the breakdown.

I was impressed by the standing start speed of the truck !!

Shouldn't laugh, but

.....

JohnD · 22 Nov 2013, 10:56 (Ref:3335154)

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfhound

Some more of the Macau chaos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsucUeezpZw

But we know what toring car drivers are like.

The man in the HiViz tabard and baseball cap, on the track, in the middle of the stationary cars, with the rest of the grid coming around a blind corner towards them. I don't know what he thought he was doing. Directing the traffic?

John

SouthportFC Fan · 22 Nov 2013, 11:21 (Ref:3335162)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnD

The man in the HiViz tabard and baseball cap, on the track, in the middle of the stationary cars, with the rest of the grid coming around a blind corner towards them. I don't know what he thought he was doing. Directing the traffic?

John

He was wearing a hisvis tabard, therefore he was perfectly safe .....

drewchef · 22 Nov 2013, 11:43 (Ref:3335167)

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfhound

Some more of the Macau chaos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsucUeezpZw

But we know what toring car drivers are like.

What the.....! The 2nd incident had happened for at least a minute, were there no waved yellows preceding the corner? Frightening.

**Woolley** · 22 Nov 2013, 13:25 (Ref:3335196)

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewchef

What the.....! The 2nd incident had happened for at least a minute, were there no waved yellows preceding the corner? Frightening.

There would have been waved yellows at the previous corner, but then there would have been waved yellows at every corner because the SC boards were out.

Which proves the point of what I've been saying about safety car flags for quite a while.

And what I've been saying about TC driving standards, for that matter.

thepits! · 22 Nov 2013, 19:13 (Ref:3335324)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woolley

There would have been waved yellows at the previous corner, but then there would have been waved yellows at every corner because the SC boards were out. Which proves the point of what I've been saying about safety car flags for quite a while. And what I've been saying about TC driving standards, for that matter.

No Woolley, it doesn't prove a point about SC Flags or TC.

It proves a point about all the stupid "blind" drivers in general

**Woolley** · 22 Nov 2013, 21:56 (Ref:3335379)

Quote:

Originally Posted by thepits!

No Woolley, it doesn't prove a point about SC Flags or TC.

It proves a point about all the stupid "blind" drivers in general

Can't disagree with you there. Really, we need flags with really long handles so we can poke them in the eye.

wolfhound · 22 Nov 2013, 22:43 (Ref:3335405)

Looking from in car footage of the link below there was an upgrade to double yellow on the post prior to the Chilton incident under safety car. Look at the clip from 19mins+

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6aVnGZyRFk

Apple · 23 Nov 2013, 08:21 (Ref:3335567)

You can see the double waved before the corner
Looks like driver error to me!

mark25787 · 23 Nov 2013, 11:37 (Ref:3335627)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apple

You can see the double waved before the corner
Looks like driver error to me!

"Error" is the polite version!!! Ignorance and inconsideration could also be used.
IMHO, the race should have been red flagged much earlier as moving the car with the rear wheel broken off in a narrow circuit would have required a flatbed or crane on track and considerable time.
A bad mistake made by the first driver crashing into the slow moving car (white flags deployed for it?????), compounded by the following drivers not showing suitable precautions. Both the circuit and the drivers to blame.
And as for the "marshal" stood in the middle of the track with the cars ploughing towards him...words fail me!!!

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