Greg Murphy

[tickfordchick]

not a Holden fan, but jeez, that's harsh ... five minutes ...

did anyone else hear him call someone a "f*cking c*nt"???

[TimD]

That's got to be the roughest stop-go in the history of motor sport, let alone V8s. I've never heard of anything like it.

Can't vouch for that particular soundbite, but I did like his "Jeez, was that a tent?" during the safety car period.

[William Dale Jr]

A penalty was required, but there are better ways to do it than making the driver take 5. Why couldn't they just take 2 laps off his total, that would almost account for the 5 minutes on it's own.

As for the 'effing cee' references, I thought Murph should've spent the five minutes by running up to Race Control and telling everyone exactly what he thought of the situation...

[jetsetter]

It was an absolute joke, 5 minutes for that when you only get a drive through for spinning another car around.

[Flaggie]

What exactly happened????

[Flaggie]

Dont worry... found out. It's in the rule book that the officials can do that. Make you stand in your pit box for whatever time is appropriate. Spilt fuel in pitlane is bad news when there's things like hot brake pads flying around.

Fair cop, in my opinion. Could have sent the whole joint up in flames.

[Wrex]

Well, considering the danger, a stiff penalty was in order. Although, I'm not sure it was handled appropriatly.

I think taking 2 laps off him would have been better.

Why was'nt Brock penalised?

[Flaggie]

Brock was penalised, but He'd basically retired, anyway.

And in reality, 5 minutes is 2 laps....well 2 and change, anyway.

Not saying I agree 100% with the call that was made, just that I agree he should have been nailed.

[alfasud]

Originally posted by Wrex
Why was'nt Brock penalised?

That's what I was wondering. Nobody spills fuel on purpose, it's always an error/accident, so if you are going to give Murphy a 5 min penalty for spilling fuel, then the same should go for everyone.... and it seemed like quite a delay while Brock was still circulating without any penalty.

Stop/go yes, 1 minute or 2 maybe.... but 5 mins? Seems far too harsh.

[Flaggie]

Dunno... The difference being possibly that Murphy could have pulled the whole shebang down and the resulting possible fire would not have been pretty. Brock's spill wasn't as catastrophic in possible consequence.

Ah well It's done now, not much you can do about it.

[DNQ]

I dislike Holden winning as much as any full time Ford supporter, but gee, that was way too harsh, what a pure disgrace. Why didnt they fine the team instead of ****ing up his race, his championship, his sponsors and everythign else.

[Armco Bender]

Obviously Race control and the NRL judicary are one and the same,take the Kiwi out off the game,and let the others play on.

[Flaggie]

Why fine the team, for a mistake made by the driver?

If the whole pits went up, you'd be real happy, wouldn't you? I think they made the right call, but maybe 2 or 3 minutes would have sufficed.

[marcus]

Nope Crazy call by the officials in my view , Ok it was a dangerous situation with the refueling problem butb5 minutes , thats just crazy < and I believev Murph was referrring to CAMS officials when he said what he said and fair enough in my view , thats just crazy for that problem , what are CAMS up too , complete nutters.

oh yes and my signature has change to the classic quote of all time

[DNQ]

I meant fine Murphy, sorry.

[Flaggie]

Ah well.... It's been done, It's not going to change.

I'm wondering how many of the critics have ever been an official....

That's my last word, See ya later.

[DNQ]

Fair enough, good point, but IMO, Todd Kelly did nothing, the team did nothing, why ruin it for them. It was a mistake, no one was hurt, thankfully, I personally think a large fine would suffice.

Although, I am glad it saved a Holden 1-2-3-4-5-6

[marcus]

yeah y4eah , go on rave about how hard it is to be an official , WHAT COMPLETE ****** !!!!!!!! ITS A JOKE IVE BEEN A FLAGGIE BEFORE AND ITS NOT THAT HARD AND A 5 MINUTE PENALTY IS A COMPLETE JOKE.

thats my say and if ya dont like it tpo F ing bad !!!!!!!

[Flaggie]

Mate, most people are extremely gun shy when it comes to possible fuel fires. When the Sh*t hits the fan, a call has to be made. Whether it's harsh or not (and I agree it was harsh. 2.5 mins is ample) there is a provision in the regs to provide such a penalty. It's legal, in the regs, and while it can be argued that it's harsh, it cant be argued that it was legit to do it. We'll see what comes of it, but I seriously doubt much will change.

[Flaggie]

Calm down Marcus... Yes being a flaggie's easy compared to being in race control....

Where do I say I didn't think it was harsh? It's a bit over the top, but a penalty of some description was warranted...

[marcus]

yeah fair enough Flaggie , I twas a bit hot under the collar when i typed that , somethinmg Yes I agree had to be done , but it was very harsh and I apologise for havinbg a go at officildom , but hey thats what half the sport is about these days and that sux big time !!

[Flaggie]

Yeah but Marcus, you're damned if ya do, damned if ya dont with these sort of calls...

They dont penalise him and someone will scream, they do and people scream.... Hey I agree, it's harsh, but it is dangerous, when when you consider they dont even allow power drills in pit lane, it was always gonna get nailed.

It's like any incident, there's an argument either way. I think right call, over harsh but right call. You think otherwise, and that's cool too. This whole thread could do around in circles, so I'll drop the issue now, else it could turn nasty.

And for the sake of Albury/Wodonga, good work to Nathan Pretty.... Pity Brad wasn't there as well.

[marcus]

too true , they had to do something , but surely a stop go penalty was enough ???

but hey if we were in control at Cams then there would be no problems right ??? LOL

doubt it very much.

oh well its done now and it doesnt effect me persoanlly so im not bothered by it , but if I was Murph Id be rathed ****ed which im sure he is.

but anyway it was a good race and i guess the best team won in the end and Murph will go on for ages about im sure

[Flaggie]

Originally posted by marcus
too true , they had to do something , but surely a stop go penalty was enough ???

but hey if we were in control at Cams then there would be no problems right ??? LOL

doubt it very much.

oh well its done now and it doesnt effect me persoanlly so im not bothered by it , but if I was Murph Id be rathed ****ed which im sure he is.

but anyway it was a good race and i guess the best team won in the end and Murph will go on for ages about im sure

I take your point, but then you have the hassle of what is the greater crime: turning a bloke around, or almost having the pit lane covered with Optimax? What I have seen done in another race series is to give a driver 3 drive throughs, to be done on successive laps. I quite like that idea.

Look, I dont blame Murph. I'd be ropeable as well. Hell you wouldn't be human if you weren't. But let's let the anger settle and revisit it in a couple of days, and then see what we all think, shall we?

[RaceTime]

One thing that seems to have been forgotten/overlooked in this whole thing is the way penalties are currently being handed out.

MOtor Racing in this country has turned into a 'You are wrong, we are right - don;t even think about disucssing it' scenario.

Regardless of whether Murphy was in the right or wrong (and, from what I saw, he did what he normally does - so where does the blame really lay anyway?) he and the team have NO CHANCE whatsoever to argue the penalty - which in all western democratic countries is aloowable.

Or is it that certain key officials now think they are so close or actually are God that they can do and say whatever they like, hand out whatever penalties they like without giving the offender the chance to argue a case.

Dictatorial is probably the closest word I can think of without saying Communism....